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What’s “platform status”?

by ChrisLTD 6y ago

dvtrn 6y ago
Blue Check mark.
colejohnson66 6y ago
I’m assuming Section 230?
- rtkwe 6y ago
  People have read a lot into section 230 that they want to see there to imply there's some distinction between unmoderated (AKA 'platform status') and moderated platforms. In fact the only thing it really does is provide that 1) providers or users can't be held liable things users say and 2) if you voluntarily moderate your service you aren't incurring a civil liability. Check the text yourself [0] there's nothing in there about having to either be a complete free zone or even to moderate neutrally to get protection from civil liabilities. Personally I wish they'd take a tougher stance but legally they don't have to and I /really/ don't think it's a good idea to legally require them to because the definition of what is and isn't moderation worthy will change on a dime. [1] [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 [1] Especially under the 'unitary executive' theory which is used a lot to try to undermine any congressional restrictions or accountability on the executive branch. That means the interpretation and enforcement can and will switch overnight every 4-8 years.
jonfw 6y ago
You can either be a 'platform' for other people to speak, where you aren't held responsible for the content you host, or you can be a 'curator' where you control the content and are responsible or what you host. The trouble with Twitter (in some people's view) is that they play both sides- they're just a public platform when there is something illegal that they're hosting, but they're a curator when they don't like what you've posted.
- ChrisLTD 6y ago
  Doesn’t just about every platform, forum, blog comment section, etc. do this? It seems untenable not to allow moderation.
  - jonfw 6y ago
    I agree and I'm generally anti-regulation of the media. But the argument would be that your average forum, blog comment section, etc. isn't one of the most important mediums of communication in the world's leading superpower's democracy
- fooblat 6y ago
  You can also be both. Like every newspaper website that has a comment section. They are responsible for the parts they publish but not the user generated comments. There is no legal requirement to be one or the other. For whatever reason, most people seem to get this backwards. Here is the relevant legal code Section 230 C1: “No provider or user of an interactive computer service, a platform, shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.” There is nothing in the law that says a publisher is responsible for user generated contact (even if they moderate it). In fact the law says just the opposite. Edit: added note in parenthesis
  - jonfw 6y ago
    Who cares? This is about ethics, not laws. If you are a proponent of this argument you would just advocate for changing the law
  - ImprobableTruth 6y ago
    >There is nothing in the law that says a publisher is responsible for user generated contact. In fact the law says just the opposite. I think you're misunderstanding the section. A publisher of content is very much responsible for it. After all, it says that "no provider [...], a platform, shall be treated as the publisher" i.e. a platform is not a publisher (so therefore a platform is not liable). However, if you stop being just a 'platform', you could become liable for the content you host. I think moderation in general is fine, but if you started curating the content I think you could get in trouble.

What’s “platform status”?

dvtrn 6y ago

Blue Check mark.

colejohnson66 6y ago

I’m assuming Section 230?

rtkwe 6y ago
People have read a lot into section 230 that they want to see there to imply there's some distinction between unmoderated (AKA 'platform status') and moderated platforms. In fact the only thing it really does is provide that 1) providers or users can't be held liable things users say and 2) if you voluntarily moderate your service you aren't incurring a civil liability. Check the text yourself [0] there's nothing in there about having to either be a complete free zone or even to moderate neutrally to get protection from civil liabilities. Personally I wish they'd take a tougher stance but legally they don't have to and I /really/ don't think it's a good idea to legally require them to because the definition of what is and isn't moderation worthy will change on a dime. [1] [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 [1] Especially under the 'unitary executive' theory which is used a lot to try to undermine any congressional restrictions or accountability on the executive branch. That means the interpretation and enforcement can and will switch overnight every 4-8 years.

jonfw 6y ago

You can either be a 'platform' for other people to speak, where you aren't held responsible for the content you host, or you can be a 'curator' where you control the content and are responsible or what you host. The trouble with Twitter (in some people's view) is that they play both sides- they're just a public platform when there is something illegal that they're hosting, but they're a curator when they don't like what you've posted.

ChrisLTD 6y ago
Doesn’t just about every platform, forum, blog comment section, etc. do this? It seems untenable not to allow moderation.
- jonfw 6y ago
  I agree and I'm generally anti-regulation of the media. But the argument would be that your average forum, blog comment section, etc. isn't one of the most important mediums of communication in the world's leading superpower's democracy
fooblat 6y ago
You can also be both. Like every newspaper website that has a comment section. They are responsible for the parts they publish but not the user generated comments. There is no legal requirement to be one or the other. For whatever reason, most people seem to get this backwards. Here is the relevant legal code Section 230 C1: “No provider or user of an interactive computer service, a platform, shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.” There is nothing in the law that says a publisher is responsible for user generated contact (even if they moderate it). In fact the law says just the opposite. Edit: added note in parenthesis
- jonfw 6y ago
  Who cares? This is about ethics, not laws. If you are a proponent of this argument you would just advocate for changing the law
- ImprobableTruth 6y ago
  >There is nothing in the law that says a publisher is responsible for user generated contact. In fact the law says just the opposite. I think you're misunderstanding the section. A publisher of content is very much responsible for it. After all, it says that "no provider [...], a platform, shall be treated as the publisher" i.e. a platform is not a publisher (so therefore a platform is not liable). However, if you stop being just a 'platform', you could become liable for the content you host. I think moderation in general is fine, but if you started curating the content I think you could get in trouble.