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So he just admitted that fact checking is suppressing conservative voices? That's awesome.

krapp 6y ago
He's also admitted that voter suppression is the main reason Republicans even get elected[0]. God help us if we ever get a competent authoritarian into office who's cunning enough not to say the corrupt part out loud. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-voting-republicans/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-vot...
- thebouv 6y ago
  The corrupt part out loud is a distraction from the hidden corruption.
- mark_l_watson 6y ago
  To your point, Trump being out in the open with his BS is probably what his base likes. I have family members who think that he is a great president, go figure. BTW, I view most politicians from both parties, DNC, and RNC to be corrupt, controlled by special interests. Not to go to far afield here, but I will vote for either a democrat or republican based on public records of who their donors are. Turns out that based on this criteria I usually vote for Democrats but not always.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    "Controlled by special interests" is half the story. The other half is to realize that in the US representative democracy, the people who change policy are the ones who are dedicated enough to the task to make a career out of it, at the expense of other things they could be doing. Because the system isn't managed by the will of the people; it's managed by the will of the subset of the people who put the (quite large amount of) effort in to be known and heard. Most Americans don't even do the base work of showing up to vote in every election (and the turnout numbers are too low to explain that effect by voter suppression alone). Those with other things to do and not enough time to be devoted full-time to policy-craft label those who do "special interests." The NRA is a special interest, but so is the ACLU. And the NAACP. And the AFL-CIO. And the EFF.
    - mark_l_watson 6y ago
      Well, the ACLU and EFF are my personal special interests, but I think you probably know that I am talking about corporate lobyists buying the votes of democrats and republicans in congress, of corporate news media that sways public opinion.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        Right, but the ACLU and EFF are part of that story; funding SIGs that have the human expertise to interface to politicians efficiently is one of the mechanisms corporations "buy votes." Not all corporate lobbying is by people with the corporation's name in their title; corporations outsource by supporting SIGs aligned with them. The EFF has received millions in funding from both Google as a corporate entity and one of Google's co-founders as direct donation. This is one of the reasons campaign finance reform is such a wicked problem; if the real goal is to diminish the corporate voice relative to the voice of the common citizen, one has to account for the fact that money can buy basically every mechanism by which voices are amplified. It can even, subtly applied, buy the opinion of the common citizen.
  - freshpots 6y ago
    "I view most politicians from both parties, DNC, and RNC to be corrupt, controlled by special interests." the problem with this is the scale of it as it is not equal.
- cheeseomlit 6y ago
  You call it voter suppression, other people call it election integrity. If ballot harvesting is allowed and you don't need an ID to vote then fraud becomes much easier.
- loceng 6y ago
  It seems to not matter though as his supporters either 1) don't watch the sources sharing the truth, 2) don't have critical thinking mechanisms for integrity, and/or 3) decide it's "fake news" without critical thinking trying to determine if Trump is the propagandist or whomever Trump claims is the "fake news."
frockington1 6y ago
Biased fact checking would be and would be par for the course for many "news" organizations on both sides
AlgorithmicTime 6y ago
"Fact" Checking.

He's also admitted that voter suppression is the main reason Republicans even get elected[0]. God help us if we ever get a competent authoritarian into office who's cunning enough not to say the corrupt part out loud. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-voting-republicans/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-vot...

thebouv 6y ago
The corrupt part out loud is a distraction from the hidden corruption.
mark_l_watson 6y ago
To your point, Trump being out in the open with his BS is probably what his base likes. I have family members who think that he is a great president, go figure. BTW, I view most politicians from both parties, DNC, and RNC to be corrupt, controlled by special interests. Not to go to far afield here, but I will vote for either a democrat or republican based on public records of who their donors are. Turns out that based on this criteria I usually vote for Democrats but not always.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  "Controlled by special interests" is half the story. The other half is to realize that in the US representative democracy, the people who change policy are the ones who are dedicated enough to the task to make a career out of it, at the expense of other things they could be doing. Because the system isn't managed by the will of the people; it's managed by the will of the subset of the people who put the (quite large amount of) effort in to be known and heard. Most Americans don't even do the base work of showing up to vote in every election (and the turnout numbers are too low to explain that effect by voter suppression alone). Those with other things to do and not enough time to be devoted full-time to policy-craft label those who do "special interests." The NRA is a special interest, but so is the ACLU. And the NAACP. And the AFL-CIO. And the EFF.
  - mark_l_watson 6y ago
    Well, the ACLU and EFF are my personal special interests, but I think you probably know that I am talking about corporate lobyists buying the votes of democrats and republicans in congress, of corporate news media that sways public opinion.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      Right, but the ACLU and EFF are part of that story; funding SIGs that have the human expertise to interface to politicians efficiently is one of the mechanisms corporations "buy votes." Not all corporate lobbying is by people with the corporation's name in their title; corporations outsource by supporting SIGs aligned with them. The EFF has received millions in funding from both Google as a corporate entity and one of Google's co-founders as direct donation. This is one of the reasons campaign finance reform is such a wicked problem; if the real goal is to diminish the corporate voice relative to the voice of the common citizen, one has to account for the fact that money can buy basically every mechanism by which voices are amplified. It can even, subtly applied, buy the opinion of the common citizen.
- freshpots 6y ago
  "I view most politicians from both parties, DNC, and RNC to be corrupt, controlled by special interests." the problem with this is the scale of it as it is not equal.
cheeseomlit 6y ago
You call it voter suppression, other people call it election integrity. If ballot harvesting is allowed and you don't need an ID to vote then fraud becomes much easier.
loceng 6y ago
It seems to not matter though as his supporters either 1) don't watch the sources sharing the truth, 2) don't have critical thinking mechanisms for integrity, and/or 3) decide it's "fake news" without critical thinking trying to determine if Trump is the propagandist or whomever Trump claims is the "fake news."

frockington1 6y ago

Biased fact checking would be and would be par for the course for many "news" organizations on both sides

AlgorithmicTime 6y ago

"Fact" Checking.