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I just enjoyed a Hydrosphere course at the local uni. The point was made that humanity is just putting a lot of crap into a system whose limits are poorly unde

I just enjoyed a Hydrosphere course at the local uni. The point was made that humanity is just putting a lot of crap into a system whose limits are poorly understood, and we might want to rethink that a bit. I found the dispassionate, factual presentation more compelling than the Chicken Little fare. The irony may come if it is shown that all of the anthropogenic global warming is what staves off an ice age in the presence of a quiescent sun. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2020/05/12/the-sun-is-asleep-deep-solar-minimum-feared-as-2020-sees-record-setting-100-day-slump/#14272295e283 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2020/05/12/th...

SuoDuanDao 6y ago
My favorite conspiracy theory about climate change is that it's a deliberate bit of geoengineering by the ultra-elite to prevent the otherwise arriving ice age, kept secret from the merely very wealthy who wouldn't want to lose their beach homes.
throwaway888abc 6y ago
+1 Well said, "The point was made that humanity is just putting a lot of crap into a system whose limits are poorly understood, and we might want to rethink that a bit." That should be whatever Green initiative slogan so more people understand.
loopz 6y ago
Exactly this! Which is why being "anti-Right" or "anti-Left" is dumbing down any discussion, just as much as being "anti-Climate Change" and vica versa (whatever that even means!). We need to lift up knowledge and facts, and present them as such along with possibilities, options and the fact we just don't know all the consequences of current trajectories (for both good and bad!). Same with "anti-News" and not. Though when news is about "survival of the fittest", we see how this may influence news reporting.
LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Not to forget some possible (super)volcanic burps, leading to events like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer and similar, listed there. edit: Don't get this the wrong way! I'm not for dismissing any environmental concerns, the opposite. Just understanding them better.
- smitty1e 6y ago
  Tambora was a VEI7 (whereas the better-known Krakatoa eruption was VEI6). Yellowstone could hit VEI8, but has apparently taken a mellower view of late: https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/yellowstone-overdue-eruption-when-will-yellowstone-erupt https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/yellowstone-overdue-eruption-when-...

SuoDuanDao 6y ago

My favorite conspiracy theory about climate change is that it's a deliberate bit of geoengineering by the ultra-elite to prevent the otherwise arriving ice age, kept secret from the merely very wealthy who wouldn't want to lose their beach homes.

throwaway888abc 6y ago

+1 Well said, "The point was made that humanity is just putting a lot of crap into a system whose limits are poorly understood, and we might want to rethink that a bit." That should be whatever Green initiative slogan so more people understand.

loopz 6y ago

Exactly this! Which is why being "anti-Right" or "anti-Left" is dumbing down any discussion, just as much as being "anti-Climate Change" and vica versa (whatever that even means!). We need to lift up knowledge and facts, and present them as such along with possibilities, options and the fact we just don't know all the consequences of current trajectories (for both good and bad!). Same with "anti-News" and not. Though when news is about "survival of the fittest", we see how this may influence news reporting.

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago

Not to forget some possible (super)volcanic burps, leading to events like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer and similar, listed there. edit: Don't get this the wrong way! I'm not for dismissing any environmental concerns, the opposite. Just understanding them better.

smitty1e 6y ago
Tambora was a VEI7 (whereas the better-known Krakatoa eruption was VEI6). Yellowstone could hit VEI8, but has apparently taken a mellower view of late: https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/yellowstone-overdue-eruption-when-will-yellowstone-erupt https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/yellowstone-overdue-eruption-when-...