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This is so true i don't understand the downvotes

by mam2 6y ago

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Traster 6y ago
It's getting downvoted because it's not a good argument. Accusing the people you disagree with of coming to their conclusions through motivated reasonsing neither actually addresses the logical arguments people are making, or gives the people you're disagreeing with any intellectual credit. It also throws up some horrendous strawmen - you have to be rich to take care of your family? Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? I have a good tip, don't open the conversation by accusing them of being incompetent and not in control of their own lives.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  > you have to be rich to take care of your family? No, but your family will certainly benefit from you increasing your wealth instead of claiming you're too busy with more important things or doing what you like. > Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? Don't worry, I don't merely disagree with these people. I find them foolish and obnoxiously self-aggrandising, hence an open discussion would lead nowhere.
- mam2 6y ago
  Ok here's the conversation, but the thing is that it's not reeeealy a debate: "Money is good to have". But everytime you say exactly this, there are swarms of people trying to explain to you why it's not so important. It's just pure rationalisation. That doesn't mean "you should or shouldn't dedicate your life to money because it will not make you happy", but this specic argument IS the strawman people give usually everytime you talk about money, and THIS is actually how most people actually kill the conversation.
  - lazyjones 6y ago
    It's not even only money that gets this reaction. Every time somebody shows off or is lauded for having something that would actually take critics some effort to achieve, such reactions are common. Whether it's muscles (body building is ugly, unhealthy, only possible with horrible drugs...), good looks or many children. People will find some disadvantages and let you know.

This is so true i don't understand the downvotes

by mam2 6y ago

This is so true i don't understand the downvotes

deleted 6y ago

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Traster 6y ago

It's getting downvoted because it's not a good argument. Accusing the people you disagree with of coming to their conclusions through motivated reasonsing neither actually addresses the logical arguments people are making, or gives the people you're disagreeing with any intellectual credit. It also throws up some horrendous strawmen - you have to be rich to take care of your family? Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? I have a good tip, don't open the conversation by accusing them of being incompetent and not in control of their own lives.

lazyjones 6y ago
> you have to be rich to take care of your family? No, but your family will certainly benefit from you increasing your wealth instead of claiming you're too busy with more important things or doing what you like. > Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? Don't worry, I don't merely disagree with these people. I find them foolish and obnoxiously self-aggrandising, hence an open discussion would lead nowhere.
mam2 6y ago
Ok here's the conversation, but the thing is that it's not reeeealy a debate: "Money is good to have". But everytime you say exactly this, there are swarms of people trying to explain to you why it's not so important. It's just pure rationalisation. That doesn't mean "you should or shouldn't dedicate your life to money because it will not make you happy", but this specic argument IS the strawman people give usually everytime you talk about money, and THIS is actually how most people actually kill the conversation.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  It's not even only money that gets this reaction. Every time somebody shows off or is lauded for having something that would actually take critics some effort to achieve, such reactions are common. Whether it's muscles (body building is ugly, unhealthy, only possible with horrible drugs...), good looks or many children. People will find some disadvantages and let you know.