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I love the way people who consider themselves smart rationalize their lack of success/wealth, including here. - I don't want to be wealthy anyway - To be weal

I love the way people who consider themselves smart rationalize their lack of success/wealth, including here. - I don't want to be wealthy anyway - To be wealthy you have to be ruthless and I prefer to be nice - smart people are so busy with issues much more important than money - wealthy people are just lucky idiots - wealthy people are just idiots who are better at exploiting other idiots - people who are wealthy spend their lives chasing wealth instead of enjoying it It's sad that people refuse to acknowledge that assuming responsibility for one's own or even their family's lives means to take care of every aspect of it, including financial issues. If you are "too busy" to take care of your finances to the best of your abilities, you are incompetent and not in control of your life.

mam2 6y ago
This is so true i don't understand the downvotes
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- Traster 6y ago
  It's getting downvoted because it's not a good argument. Accusing the people you disagree with of coming to their conclusions through motivated reasonsing neither actually addresses the logical arguments people are making, or gives the people you're disagreeing with any intellectual credit. It also throws up some horrendous strawmen - you have to be rich to take care of your family? Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? I have a good tip, don't open the conversation by accusing them of being incompetent and not in control of their own lives.
  - lazyjones 6y ago
    > you have to be rich to take care of your family? No, but your family will certainly benefit from you increasing your wealth instead of claiming you're too busy with more important things or doing what you like. > Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? Don't worry, I don't merely disagree with these people. I find them foolish and obnoxiously self-aggrandising, hence an open discussion would lead nowhere.
  - mam2 6y ago
    Ok here's the conversation, but the thing is that it's not reeeealy a debate: "Money is good to have". But everytime you say exactly this, there are swarms of people trying to explain to you why it's not so important. It's just pure rationalisation. That doesn't mean "you should or shouldn't dedicate your life to money because it will not make you happy", but this specic argument IS the strawman people give usually everytime you talk about money, and THIS is actually how most people actually kill the conversation.
    - lazyjones 6y ago
      It's not even only money that gets this reaction. Every time somebody shows off or is lauded for having something that would actually take critics some effort to achieve, such reactions are common. Whether it's muscles (body building is ugly, unhealthy, only possible with horrible drugs...), good looks or many children. People will find some disadvantages and let you know.
mD5pPxMcS6fVWKE 6y ago
I am wealthy, but I admit I'm an idiot who just got lucky. And I believe that the majority of wealth comes from pure luck. Come one, you get born in USA and you salary for the same job is automatically 10 times higher than if you were born in India.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  > I am wealthy, but I admit I'm an idiot who just got lucky. Did you win the lottery? > And I believe that the majority of wealth comes from pure luck. People believe all kinds of weird things. > born in USA and you salary for the same job is automatically 10 times higher than if you were born in India. And the threshold for being considered wealthy is also 10 times higher. What is your point?
LandR 6y ago
If I wanted to be rich I think I'd have to put much more effort into work life. I really don't want to do that. If it comes down to working and possibly getting rich, or spending time in the pub with mates. I'll choose spending time with mates 100% of the time. I'm also very lazy, I don't think you can get rich being as lazy as I am. Hell, if it comes down to getting up before 9am to make money or sleeping in, I'll choose sleeping in. I try to work the absolute minimum I have to that allows me my lifestyle which I'm comfortable with. If that means I never get rich, I'm fine with that.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  > I try to work the absolute minimum I have to that allows me my lifestyle which I'm comfortable with. If that means I never get rich, I'm fine with that. But what makes you think this kind of behavior is smart? For example, how do you plan on being able to keep it up when your cognitive abilities are no longer at their peak, or when your current job loses its present value? Some people work hard early on precisely because they prefer to be able to do what they want without any work for most of their lives.
tosssingaksla 6y ago
High IQ is correlated with higher income but not higher wealth Wealth and income is not the same thing, a smart person might for example not invest as much in order to dedicate to his hobby more time, etc. Not everybody pursuits wealth, but everybody needs a good solid monetary base. That's why if you are smart you should have that base covered, and that shows in the studies that present correlation between income and IQ. Just remember the difference between income and wealth.

mam2 6y ago

This is so true i don't understand the downvotes

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Traster 6y ago
It's getting downvoted because it's not a good argument. Accusing the people you disagree with of coming to their conclusions through motivated reasonsing neither actually addresses the logical arguments people are making, or gives the people you're disagreeing with any intellectual credit. It also throws up some horrendous strawmen - you have to be rich to take care of your family? Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? I have a good tip, don't open the conversation by accusing them of being incompetent and not in control of their own lives.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  > you have to be rich to take care of your family? No, but your family will certainly benefit from you increasing your wealth instead of claiming you're too busy with more important things or doing what you like. > Want to have an open conversation with someone you disagree with? Don't worry, I don't merely disagree with these people. I find them foolish and obnoxiously self-aggrandising, hence an open discussion would lead nowhere.
- mam2 6y ago
  Ok here's the conversation, but the thing is that it's not reeeealy a debate: "Money is good to have". But everytime you say exactly this, there are swarms of people trying to explain to you why it's not so important. It's just pure rationalisation. That doesn't mean "you should or shouldn't dedicate your life to money because it will not make you happy", but this specic argument IS the strawman people give usually everytime you talk about money, and THIS is actually how most people actually kill the conversation.
  - lazyjones 6y ago
    It's not even only money that gets this reaction. Every time somebody shows off or is lauded for having something that would actually take critics some effort to achieve, such reactions are common. Whether it's muscles (body building is ugly, unhealthy, only possible with horrible drugs...), good looks or many children. People will find some disadvantages and let you know.

mD5pPxMcS6fVWKE 6y ago

I am wealthy, but I admit I'm an idiot who just got lucky. And I believe that the majority of wealth comes from pure luck. Come one, you get born in USA and you salary for the same job is automatically 10 times higher than if you were born in India.

lazyjones 6y ago
> I am wealthy, but I admit I'm an idiot who just got lucky. Did you win the lottery? > And I believe that the majority of wealth comes from pure luck. People believe all kinds of weird things. > born in USA and you salary for the same job is automatically 10 times higher than if you were born in India. And the threshold for being considered wealthy is also 10 times higher. What is your point?

LandR 6y ago

If I wanted to be rich I think I'd have to put much more effort into work life. I really don't want to do that. If it comes down to working and possibly getting rich, or spending time in the pub with mates. I'll choose spending time with mates 100% of the time. I'm also very lazy, I don't think you can get rich being as lazy as I am. Hell, if it comes down to getting up before 9am to make money or sleeping in, I'll choose sleeping in. I try to work the absolute minimum I have to that allows me my lifestyle which I'm comfortable with. If that means I never get rich, I'm fine with that.

lazyjones 6y ago
> I try to work the absolute minimum I have to that allows me my lifestyle which I'm comfortable with. If that means I never get rich, I'm fine with that. But what makes you think this kind of behavior is smart? For example, how do you plan on being able to keep it up when your cognitive abilities are no longer at their peak, or when your current job loses its present value? Some people work hard early on precisely because they prefer to be able to do what they want without any work for most of their lives.

tosssingaksla 6y ago

High IQ is correlated with higher income but not higher wealth Wealth and income is not the same thing, a smart person might for example not invest as much in order to dedicate to his hobby more time, etc. Not everybody pursuits wealth, but everybody needs a good solid monetary base. That's why if you are smart you should have that base covered, and that shows in the studies that present correlation between income and IQ. Just remember the difference between income and wealth.