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"Privacy Policy 1. We do not (and will never) sell, license, sub-license or share any of the data submitted directly or indirectly by our users with any person

"Privacy Policy 1. We do not (and will never) sell, license, sub-license or share any of the data submitted directly or indirectly by our users with any person or entity." This does not cover metadata. For example, NextDNS analyzes the data submitted directly or indirectly by the user and makes a note, "This user [something private]" If NextDNS sells, licenses, sublicenses or shares that metadata they are not violating this Privacy Policy. If NextDNS acquires data from a third party (e.g., data brokers) that identifies NextDNS users, then that is not "data submitted directly or indirectly by our users" and they are not violating this Privacy Policy if, e.g., they pair that data with NextDNS metadata and store, sell, license/sublicense or share it. This Privacy Policy also does not cover the event of NextDNS itself or a successor selling ads or ad services. If that ever happens, it would not violate this Privacy Policy.

godzillabrennus 6y ago
It’s a free service. If it’s free you are probably the product. You can still put Pi Hole on a device in your home and use that. I do. It’s amazing. 35% or more of monthly requests are blocked.
- pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
  Or... You can put your own DNS server on a device in your home and use that. Personally I am not fond of dnsmasq or the patched version Pi-Hole uses. 100% of "monthly requests" are blocked. There are no third-party managed blacklists, only personally created whitelists. Individual DNS queries rarely leave the network. DNS data is gathered in bulk and stored.
  - thanksforfish 6y ago
    If I'm following, you have a DNS server running that only permits requests to whitelisted domains? When you browse hn, do you need to whitelist each domain to be able to load content? How many domains do you have whitelisted and how many new ones do you whitelist each month?
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  - baumandm 6y ago
    As someone recently considering Pi-Hole, can you explain why you aren't fond of dnsmasq?
    - pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
      The fact that I prefer other DNS software over dnsmasq should not have any bearing on anyone's decision whether or not to use Pi-Hole.
ray991 6y ago
So NextDNS is free to sell metadata. What is the extent of this metadata - is it like ‘this user spends 10 hours a day actively using the internet’, or ‘this user consumes a lot of streaming video content’, or this user ‘watches netflix every friday evening’, or ‘this user uses duckduckgo instead of google’? Can these examples be considered metadata?
- pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
  They do not need to sell metadata. They can sell services. Neither Google nor Facebook need to sell data. They sell services. Those companies are not obligated to disclose what metadata they might have. Neither is NextDNS. If the Privacy Policy stated that NextDNS will not create, collect or acquire metadata about its users, then we would have less reason to be concerned. However the NextDNS Privacy Policy is all of nine sentences. It is not very restrictive.

godzillabrennus 6y ago

It’s a free service. If it’s free you are probably the product. You can still put Pi Hole on a device in your home and use that. I do. It’s amazing. 35% or more of monthly requests are blocked.

pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
Or... You can put your own DNS server on a device in your home and use that. Personally I am not fond of dnsmasq or the patched version Pi-Hole uses. 100% of "monthly requests" are blocked. There are no third-party managed blacklists, only personally created whitelists. Individual DNS queries rarely leave the network. DNS data is gathered in bulk and stored.
- thanksforfish 6y ago
  If I'm following, you have a DNS server running that only permits requests to whitelisted domains? When you browse hn, do you need to whitelist each domain to be able to load content? How many domains do you have whitelisted and how many new ones do you whitelist each month?
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- baumandm 6y ago
  As someone recently considering Pi-Hole, can you explain why you aren't fond of dnsmasq?
  - pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
    The fact that I prefer other DNS software over dnsmasq should not have any bearing on anyone's decision whether or not to use Pi-Hole.

ray991 6y ago

So NextDNS is free to sell metadata. What is the extent of this metadata - is it like ‘this user spends 10 hours a day actively using the internet’, or ‘this user consumes a lot of streaming video content’, or this user ‘watches netflix every friday evening’, or ‘this user uses duckduckgo instead of google’? Can these examples be considered metadata?

pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
They do not need to sell metadata. They can sell services. Neither Google nor Facebook need to sell data. They sell services. Those companies are not obligated to disclose what metadata they might have. Neither is NextDNS. If the Privacy Policy stated that NextDNS will not create, collect or acquire metadata about its users, then we would have less reason to be concerned. However the NextDNS Privacy Policy is all of nine sentences. It is not very restrictive.