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Which leaves some hope that everybody is not yet brainwashed. Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build test

by rixed 6y ago

Which leaves some hope that everybody is not yet brainwashed. Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research? Also, 9 times or of 10 it takes a long time to get an idea of where an attack is coming from. And independently of what they know, 9 times out of 10 politics won't tell you what they know but what they want you to believe. So what are the chances that you have any idea of what actually happened and why? Close to zero. What to do then? Well, at least let us refrain from howling with the wolves.

the_pwner224 6y ago
> Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research? The virus came from Wuhan where China has some sort of biological laboratory. The virus has hugely affected Europe and the U.S., but has had comparatively little effect in China. I'm not saying they made the virus and released it. But there will always be suspicion - if it looks like a duck and has a history of wanting to be a duck, maybe it could actually be a duck. And so any 'good' effort by China can always be dismisses as 'they're just trying to look like they didn't do it.' Of course there's always the very real possibility that China didn't do it. In which case I feel bad for them; they're in a tough situation. But then again, maybe they did?
- throwitawayfire 6y ago
  The virus did not come from Wuhan. The first known cluster of cases was in Wuhan. This is where China first identified and then quickly notified the international community that there was a new communicable disease. Many of the original identified victims had no relation whatsoever with Wuhan, and virologists have traced the virus to several individuals throughout Hubei province as early as November. Virologists tracing the virus history through DNA shows a significant history to the virus before Wuhan. SARS-CoV-2 shows no signs of having been bioengineered and plenty of markers of cross-species adaptation. Furthermore the closest coronavirus strain known to mankind is significantly (50 years of forced evolution) far from SARS-CoV-2. Biological laboratories are located in many cities across the world. Given all of the scientific evidence we know about the likely species-jump origins of the virus and its history before Wuhan, it's it a bit of a tired theory (as in definitively unreasonable in the number of required assumptions) at this point that the virus escaped Wuhan's high-containment laboratory?
  - mc32 6y ago
    It’d known wet markets and the wildlife trafficked in such are a corona virus reservoir. We can no yet say it didn’t come from there.
    - throwitawayfire 6y ago
      "It’d known wet markets and the wildlife trafficked" This is not on topic. The discussion thread is talking about bioengineered viruses.

by rixed 6y ago

the_pwner224 6y ago

> Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research? The virus came from Wuhan where China has some sort of biological laboratory. The virus has hugely affected Europe and the U.S., but has had comparatively little effect in China. I'm not saying they made the virus and released it. But there will always be suspicion - if it looks like a duck and has a history of wanting to be a duck, maybe it could actually be a duck. And so any 'good' effort by China can always be dismisses as 'they're just trying to look like they didn't do it.' Of course there's always the very real possibility that China didn't do it. In which case I feel bad for them; they're in a tough situation. But then again, maybe they did?

throwitawayfire 6y ago
The virus did not come from Wuhan. The first known cluster of cases was in Wuhan. This is where China first identified and then quickly notified the international community that there was a new communicable disease. Many of the original identified victims had no relation whatsoever with Wuhan, and virologists have traced the virus to several individuals throughout Hubei province as early as November. Virologists tracing the virus history through DNA shows a significant history to the virus before Wuhan. SARS-CoV-2 shows no signs of having been bioengineered and plenty of markers of cross-species adaptation. Furthermore the closest coronavirus strain known to mankind is significantly (50 years of forced evolution) far from SARS-CoV-2. Biological laboratories are located in many cities across the world. Given all of the scientific evidence we know about the likely species-jump origins of the virus and its history before Wuhan, it's it a bit of a tired theory (as in definitively unreasonable in the number of required assumptions) at this point that the virus escaped Wuhan's high-containment laboratory?
- mc32 6y ago
  It’d known wet markets and the wildlife trafficked in such are a corona virus reservoir. We can no yet say it didn’t come from there.
  - throwitawayfire 6y ago
    "It’d known wet markets and the wildlife trafficked" This is not on topic. The discussion thread is talking about bioengineered viruses.