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Serious question / Genuinely Curious Why would the author call herself a bitch? why implicitly promote objectification of women by explicitly being ok with (cr

Serious question / Genuinely Curious Why would the author call herself a bitch? why implicitly promote objectification of women by explicitly being ok with (crazy in my opinion) the personal choice of objectifying onseself? I understand that she is a growth hacker and her thinking may be perhaps a title like this Only to get clicks. If so, even then, it still seems conflicting and contradicting to a personal beliefs of herself not being an object. On the other hand if she like to objectify herself why would somebody sane do thst ?

gowld 6y ago
Just trying to be cool and edgy for attention by using immature, inflammatory language.
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WalterBright 6y ago
Because when you own an epithet, it loses all its power over you.
- gowld 6y ago
  Or it internalizes the negativity into low self-esteem.
  - vzidex 6y ago
    If you used these words with their original, negative, meanings, sure. But that's missing the point - words like "bitch", "queer", and the n-word are used to mean positive things in their respective communities.
daeken 6y ago
> why implicitly promote objectification of women by explicitly being ok with (crazy in my opinion) the personal choice of objectifying onseself? A woman choosing to own the term "bitch" doesn't promote objectification of women any more than me owning the term "queer" promotes homophobia/transphobia. Bigots will always find an excuse to be bigots; they don't need a woman to give them that excuse. Additionally, your use of "crazy" and "sane" in this context is exactly the type of tone policing that hurts women (not to mention very directly propping up the stigma against those suffering from mental illness). You're not helping.
- growlist 6y ago
  If the writing were good enough to stand on its own merits, the attention seeking title wouldn't be necessary.
  - neogodless 6y ago
    That statement is hard to prove. Most people do not read "all" content - they look for headlines that will draw them in. It's hard for any content to reach critical mass without first getting a bunch of eyeballs on there evaluating it.
    - growlist 6y ago
      Actually you're probably right. The world isn't rational or fair!
vzidex 6y ago
An approach for people who are marginalized to feel stronger is to reclaim language that was previously used against them, and to repurpose it to mean something positive when applied to themselves. See: "queer" to the LGBTQ+ community, "bitch" for women, and the "n-word" for the black community. In this specific case, my understanding - I'm not a woman, but am an ally to them - is that "bitch" means a strong woman who does what she wants, regardless of societal expectations.
- growlist 6y ago
  But there's also a tendency I've noticed of American female writers to pepper their writing with expletives, as if this makes them come across as tough, when for me it achieves the exact opposite.
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pvg 6y ago
Have you ever wondered why someone would have a wallet that says 'Bad Motherfucker'?
ThrowawayR2 6y ago
Why do people in the software industry refer to themselves as "nerds" or "geeks"? Both are (or were) rather derogatory terms. Learn to relax, man.
epinards 6y ago
1. Thank you for the question; I do think it's worth asking and discussing. 2. I'm not sure 'bitch' should be a negative term, and my self-esteem is high enough that I feel comfortable owning the term. 3. I'm a growth marketer and I knew it would get a bunch of clicks.
- quietthrow 6y ago
  I agree with you that bitch should not be a negative term. After all it just a female dog. But colloquially it is used as a negative term. That’s the society/world we live in. It dosnt matter what you and I believe how it should be used. What matters is how’s it is actually used. You wouldn’t get the clicks you were after if the word was used as you think it should be would you? And my question comes from that perspective of grounding in our world’s reality. Given that, by used the term, it promotes objectification - May be not yours since your self esteem allows you to own it - but of women in general. And that might be too selfish of an action perhaps?
  - epinards 6y ago
    Maybe. But maybe it's like calling Voldemort 'he who shall not be named.'“Call him Voldemort, Harry. Always use the proper name for things. Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself.” By using 'taboo words' like bitch, we decrease the stigma around them.
clairity 6y ago
> "why implicitly promote objectification of women by explicitly being ok with (crazy in my opinion) the personal choice of objectifying onseself?" your need to caveat your comment with "Serious question / Genuinely Curious", if forthright, should have given you pause in the way your question was phrased, as it indicates some underlying apprehension. that impulse should be a bright red flag to think more carefully about how to squeeze out ambiguity and obviate the need for such caveats. as is, your phrasing is overly certain, a priori assuming its own correctness, and thus primarily phrased to project an internalized, negative connotation onto others and moreover challenging those others to disagree. alternatively, you could have just asked "hey, isn't calling yourself a bitch objectifying to women?" in this phrasing, you'd be proposing a similar position, but also signaling uncertainty, which invites the alternate perspectives your "Genuinely Curious" preamble seems to angle toward, rather than challenges.
TheGrassyKnoll 6y ago
(I'm reading the comments first) My first impression was that the article was written by a man. Calling yourself a 'bitch' would be a self-insult that could jolt you out of your laziness. I'm pretty damn lazy though...
- hoseja 6y ago
  Yeah, I was somewhat surprised to find the author is a woman. The bitch is not very gendered here.

gowld 6y ago

Just trying to be cool and edgy for attention by using immature, inflammatory language.

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WalterBright 6y ago

Because when you own an epithet, it loses all its power over you.

gowld 6y ago
Or it internalizes the negativity into low self-esteem.
- vzidex 6y ago
  If you used these words with their original, negative, meanings, sure. But that's missing the point - words like "bitch", "queer", and the n-word are used to mean positive things in their respective communities.

daeken 6y ago

> why implicitly promote objectification of women by explicitly being ok with (crazy in my opinion) the personal choice of objectifying onseself? A woman choosing to own the term "bitch" doesn't promote objectification of women any more than me owning the term "queer" promotes homophobia/transphobia. Bigots will always find an excuse to be bigots; they don't need a woman to give them that excuse. Additionally, your use of "crazy" and "sane" in this context is exactly the type of tone policing that hurts women (not to mention very directly propping up the stigma against those suffering from mental illness). You're not helping.

growlist 6y ago
If the writing were good enough to stand on its own merits, the attention seeking title wouldn't be necessary.
- neogodless 6y ago
  That statement is hard to prove. Most people do not read "all" content - they look for headlines that will draw them in. It's hard for any content to reach critical mass without first getting a bunch of eyeballs on there evaluating it.
  - growlist 6y ago
    Actually you're probably right. The world isn't rational or fair!

vzidex 6y ago

An approach for people who are marginalized to feel stronger is to reclaim language that was previously used against them, and to repurpose it to mean something positive when applied to themselves. See: "queer" to the LGBTQ+ community, "bitch" for women, and the "n-word" for the black community. In this specific case, my understanding - I'm not a woman, but am an ally to them - is that "bitch" means a strong woman who does what she wants, regardless of societal expectations.

growlist 6y ago
But there's also a tendency I've noticed of American female writers to pepper their writing with expletives, as if this makes them come across as tough, when for me it achieves the exact opposite.
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pvg 6y ago

Have you ever wondered why someone would have a wallet that says 'Bad Motherfucker'?

ThrowawayR2 6y ago

Why do people in the software industry refer to themselves as "nerds" or "geeks"? Both are (or were) rather derogatory terms. Learn to relax, man.

epinards 6y ago

1. Thank you for the question; I do think it's worth asking and discussing. 2. I'm not sure 'bitch' should be a negative term, and my self-esteem is high enough that I feel comfortable owning the term. 3. I'm a growth marketer and I knew it would get a bunch of clicks.

quietthrow 6y ago
I agree with you that bitch should not be a negative term. After all it just a female dog. But colloquially it is used as a negative term. That’s the society/world we live in. It dosnt matter what you and I believe how it should be used. What matters is how’s it is actually used. You wouldn’t get the clicks you were after if the word was used as you think it should be would you? And my question comes from that perspective of grounding in our world’s reality. Given that, by used the term, it promotes objectification - May be not yours since your self esteem allows you to own it - but of women in general. And that might be too selfish of an action perhaps?
- epinards 6y ago
  Maybe. But maybe it's like calling Voldemort 'he who shall not be named.'“Call him Voldemort, Harry. Always use the proper name for things. Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself.” By using 'taboo words' like bitch, we decrease the stigma around them.

clairity 6y ago

> "why implicitly promote objectification of women by explicitly being ok with (crazy in my opinion) the personal choice of objectifying onseself?" your need to caveat your comment with "Serious question / Genuinely Curious", if forthright, should have given you pause in the way your question was phrased, as it indicates some underlying apprehension. that impulse should be a bright red flag to think more carefully about how to squeeze out ambiguity and obviate the need for such caveats. as is, your phrasing is overly certain, a priori assuming its own correctness, and thus primarily phrased to project an internalized, negative connotation onto others and moreover challenging those others to disagree. alternatively, you could have just asked "hey, isn't calling yourself a bitch objectifying to women?" in this phrasing, you'd be proposing a similar position, but also signaling uncertainty, which invites the alternate perspectives your "Genuinely Curious" preamble seems to angle toward, rather than challenges.

TheGrassyKnoll 6y ago

(I'm reading the comments first) My first impression was that the article was written by a man. Calling yourself a 'bitch' would be a self-insult that could jolt you out of your laziness. I'm pretty damn lazy though...

hoseja 6y ago
Yeah, I was somewhat surprised to find the author is a woman. The bitch is not very gendered here.