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While the admin is currently pushing a very negative image against China, I do not believe the FBI would do that so lightly.

by bt1a 6y ago

boomboomsubban 6y ago
Why would the FBI be hesitant about faking/sensationalizing this? It's nearly impossible to prove, China's unlikely to make an issue out of it, and even if the lie got exposed what punishment would they face?
- Larrikin 6y ago
  Are you an infosec expert? You have said that it is impossible to trace origins of hacks multiple times but only offer two shallow points that you would learn about in your first week of a network security class. There are papers out there that have multiple ways of using language to identify specific authors, determine multiple authors, and even decode unknown language. That's my first shallow example and would be a pretty reliable indicator if you could get your hands on their code. With a budget of millions of dollar I'm sure they have dozens of ways that can be combined. It would make no sense to reveal every single method they use to defend against people on the internet. That also assumes they don't just have a mole who told them about it, which they also wouldn't reveal.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >You have said that it is impossible to trace origins of hacks I have not said this. The evidence they have provided makes it equally likely that they've tracked these hacks (correctly or incorrectly) or that they've made the whole thing up. You can't rule out either action. >There are papers out there that have multiple uses of using language to identify specific authors, determine multiple authors, and even decode known language. That's my first shallow example and would be a pretty reliable indicator if you could get your hands on their code There have been multiple papers on these subjects, with a budget of millions of dollars I'm sure identifiers could be faked. Particularly with password spraying, the only method mentioned.
    - Larrikin 6y ago
      Every single comment on the first page of your history is vehemently defending the CCP, I'd imagine that the faux outrage against accusations across the internet is another signal they use to increase the probability that their model correctly determined the origin.
- nineparts 6y ago
  >Why would the FBI be hesitant about faking/sensationalizing this? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CHINESE. The fact that you don't get it tells stories.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    I imagine the main story it tells is how I remember the buildup for the Iraq War.
ciarannolan 6y ago
The problem is that this administration has shown time and again that they're willing to corrupt American institutions (like the FBI) when it suits them.
- CapricornNoble 6y ago
  "this administration"? As if it's a new problem?
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    Yes, it's a new problem. Firing inspector generals en masse [1], personally attacking specific FBI agents and their families [2], intervening in the criminal proceedings of friends and political allies [3], etc. is a pattern of behavior that undermines the rule of law in this country. It's a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you, hurts your feelings, dares second guess you, or, god forbid, didn't vote for you. This pattern of comprehensive corruption is unique to this administration. There are _literally_ dozens of links I could provide for each point since these behaviors happen constantly, but I just google'd and picked one each. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-trump-removes-federal-watchdogs-some-loyalists-replacing-them-have-extensive-conflicts/2020/05/24/8dad46a4-9b89-11ea-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-trump-removes-fed... [2] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/donald-trump-nemesis-andrew-mccabe-wont-face-charges https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/donald-trump-nemesis... [3] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/25/judge-rebukes-trump-roger-stone-jury-117442 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/25/judge-rebukes-trump...
    - CapricornNoble 6y ago
      >>>firing inspector generals en masse https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michelle_malkin/stop_obama_s_war_on_watchdogs https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_co... >>>intervening in the criminal proceedings of your friends and political allies http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-investigated-a-friend?news=839026 http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspect... https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncovered-fraud-and-honors-defrauder-instead https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncov... >>>a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/obamas-whistleblowers-stuxnet-leaks-drones/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/obamas-whistleb... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/7/president-obama-discussed-flynn-probe-comey-white-/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/7/president-ob... >>>pattern of comprehensive corruption is unique to this administration If you think that this administration is UNIQUELY corrupt....you might be in an echo chamber. Here's a more humorous take on the Obama administration's screwups: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7F2mvZE1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7F2mvZE1E That, or have a short memory, since Trump and Obama both pale in comparison to VP Dick Cheney and the Iraq War (KBR? Halliburton? have people forgotten about them already?).
thephyber 6y ago
> I do not believe the FBI would do that so lightly What do you mean by "so lightly"? It changed the entire meaning of the sentence.
OBLIQUE_PILLAR 6y ago
Perhaps the current FBI is pure and 100 percent professional now, but the FBI of the 50s/60s/70s would totally do this, and much worse.

While the admin is currently pushing a very negative image against China, I do not believe the FBI would do that so lightly.

by bt1a 6y ago

While the admin is currently pushing a very negative image against China, I do not believe the FBI would do that so lightly.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

Why would the FBI be hesitant about faking/sensationalizing this? It's nearly impossible to prove, China's unlikely to make an issue out of it, and even if the lie got exposed what punishment would they face?

Larrikin 6y ago
Are you an infosec expert? You have said that it is impossible to trace origins of hacks multiple times but only offer two shallow points that you would learn about in your first week of a network security class. There are papers out there that have multiple ways of using language to identify specific authors, determine multiple authors, and even decode unknown language. That's my first shallow example and would be a pretty reliable indicator if you could get your hands on their code. With a budget of millions of dollar I'm sure they have dozens of ways that can be combined. It would make no sense to reveal every single method they use to defend against people on the internet. That also assumes they don't just have a mole who told them about it, which they also wouldn't reveal.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >You have said that it is impossible to trace origins of hacks I have not said this. The evidence they have provided makes it equally likely that they've tracked these hacks (correctly or incorrectly) or that they've made the whole thing up. You can't rule out either action. >There are papers out there that have multiple uses of using language to identify specific authors, determine multiple authors, and even decode known language. That's my first shallow example and would be a pretty reliable indicator if you could get your hands on their code There have been multiple papers on these subjects, with a budget of millions of dollars I'm sure identifiers could be faked. Particularly with password spraying, the only method mentioned.
  - Larrikin 6y ago
    Every single comment on the first page of your history is vehemently defending the CCP, I'd imagine that the faux outrage against accusations across the internet is another signal they use to increase the probability that their model correctly determined the origin.
nineparts 6y ago
>Why would the FBI be hesitant about faking/sensationalizing this? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CHINESE. The fact that you don't get it tells stories.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  I imagine the main story it tells is how I remember the buildup for the Iraq War.

ciarannolan 6y ago

The problem is that this administration has shown time and again that they're willing to corrupt American institutions (like the FBI) when it suits them.

CapricornNoble 6y ago
"this administration"? As if it's a new problem?
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  Yes, it's a new problem. Firing inspector generals en masse [1], personally attacking specific FBI agents and their families [2], intervening in the criminal proceedings of friends and political allies [3], etc. is a pattern of behavior that undermines the rule of law in this country. It's a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you, hurts your feelings, dares second guess you, or, god forbid, didn't vote for you. This pattern of comprehensive corruption is unique to this administration. There are _literally_ dozens of links I could provide for each point since these behaviors happen constantly, but I just google'd and picked one each. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-trump-removes-federal-watchdogs-some-loyalists-replacing-them-have-extensive-conflicts/2020/05/24/8dad46a4-9b89-11ea-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-trump-removes-fed... [2] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/donald-trump-nemesis-andrew-mccabe-wont-face-charges https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/donald-trump-nemesis... [3] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/25/judge-rebukes-trump-roger-stone-jury-117442 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/25/judge-rebukes-trump...
  - CapricornNoble 6y ago
    >>>firing inspector generals en masse https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michelle_malkin/stop_obama_s_war_on_watchdogs https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_co... >>>intervening in the criminal proceedings of your friends and political allies http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-investigated-a-friend?news=839026 http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspect... https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncovered-fraud-and-honors-defrauder-instead https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncov... >>>a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/obamas-whistleblowers-stuxnet-leaks-drones/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/obamas-whistleb... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/7/president-obama-discussed-flynn-probe-comey-white-/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/7/president-ob... >>>pattern of comprehensive corruption is unique to this administration If you think that this administration is UNIQUELY corrupt....you might be in an echo chamber. Here's a more humorous take on the Obama administration's screwups: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7F2mvZE1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7F2mvZE1E That, or have a short memory, since Trump and Obama both pale in comparison to VP Dick Cheney and the Iraq War (KBR? Halliburton? have people forgotten about them already?).

thephyber 6y ago

> I do not believe the FBI would do that so lightly What do you mean by "so lightly"? It changed the entire meaning of the sentence.

OBLIQUE_PILLAR 6y ago

Perhaps the current FBI is pure and 100 percent professional now, but the FBI of the 50s/60s/70s would totally do this, and much worse.