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> are these steps and precautions worth it? What I find most concerning is that, even if you allow that the answer might be yes, just asking the question in th

> are these steps and precautions worth it? What I find most concerning is that, even if you allow that the answer might be yes, just asking the question in the first place ends up in immediate dismissal.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
Especially considering how lockdown is draconian and medieval. It's a huge cost to pay for uncertain benefits. We're talking about ending people's livelihoods and violating their rights without definitive, positive scientific evidence that lockdown is effective. It's pretty clear by now that it's safe to venture outside while practicing social distancing and wearing a mask - at the very least for working-age people. It also makes sense how this has become politicized. All the elements are there too: mask-wearing and lockdown is such a juicy virtue signal. Anyone that dares to venture outside is some cretin, a murderer.
myk9001 6y ago
I noticed this too. People in favor of lockdowns keep saying they're following science. But once someone dares to ask questions, so many act as if their religious feelings were insulted. To be fair, from what I've seen on HN, the community here is quite open to reasonable discussion.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  Lockdown is a draconian political mandate justified and defended on the basis of virtue. It really hasn't been a matter of science because so far it couldn't be: there's far too many unknowns and inaccuracies in the measurements we're making, they're changing all the time. From the beginning, authorities have been scrambling to appear competent and failing catastrophically. There are major political ramifications of lockdown and other actions of leaders. They will not readily admit failure and neither will those convinced of the virtue of these measures - it's a matter of political identity now.

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> are these steps and precautions worth it? What I find most concerning is that, even if you allow that the answer might be yes, just asking the question in th

by commandlinefan 6y ago

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
Especially considering how lockdown is draconian and medieval. It's a huge cost to pay for uncertain benefits. We're talking about ending people's livelihoods and violating their rights without definitive, positive scientific evidence that lockdown is effective. It's pretty clear by now that it's safe to venture outside while practicing social distancing and wearing a mask - at the very least for working-age people. It also makes sense how this has become politicized. All the elements are there too: mask-wearing and lockdown is such a juicy virtue signal. Anyone that dares to venture outside is some cretin, a murderer.
myk9001 6y ago
I noticed this too. People in favor of lockdowns keep saying they're following science. But once someone dares to ask questions, so many act as if their religious feelings were insulted. To be fair, from what I've seen on HN, the community here is quite open to reasonable discussion.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  Lockdown is a draconian political mandate justified and defended on the basis of virtue. It really hasn't been a matter of science because so far it couldn't be: there's far too many unknowns and inaccuracies in the measurements we're making, they're changing all the time. From the beginning, authorities have been scrambling to appear competent and failing catastrophically. There are major political ramifications of lockdown and other actions of leaders. They will not readily admit failure and neither will those convinced of the virtue of these measures - it's a matter of political identity now.