Yep, I replied to the other comment but I'll concede that I was using this term too specifically and inaccurately. In any case, my point wasn't in opposition t

Yep, I replied to the other comment but I'll concede that I was using this term too specifically and inaccurately. In any case, my point wasn't in opposition to the social welfare systems in Scandinavian countries, for instance, as I'm at least reasonably familiar with the services they provide to citizens which generally seem to genuinely work as you said.