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Many people, including myself, like Thinkpad laptops. And by Thinkpad I mean Thinkpad, not any laptop from Lenovo. I have personally purchased three generation
by graton 6y ago
Many people, including myself, like Thinkpad laptops. And by Thinkpad I mean Thinkpad, not any laptop from Lenovo.
I have personally purchased three generations of the Thinkpad X1 Carbon over the years. I know the Thinkpad T4?? are popular also.
- dijit 6y agoThinkpad are not what they used to be, they're not "terrible" but the Latitude series runs circles around them in terms of upgradability, build quality and software support. I would rather buy a new HP Elitebook or Dell Latitude than anything from Lenovo at this point.
- snazz 6y agoSoftware support meaning Linux?
- dijit 6y agoNot just linux, OpenBSD/FreeBSD too. But yes, they support Windows well enough. There's also the whole Superfish incident, injecting malware to the OS from the BIOS is scary- and while it did not affect the Thinkpad line specifically I am increasingly wary of the company because of it. And since the hardware is so hard to service these days, and (soldered components, plastic clips) and it isn't very special either there's not enough "appeal" to suade my opinion in their favour.
- ekianjo 6y agoLenovo laptops are still way more serviceable than the alternatives. Its getting worse, granted, over time.
- dijit 6y agoMy point was that it’s not actually more serviceable than a Dell Latitude or HP Elitebook. iFixit regularly rate those devices 10: https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability
- steerablesafe 6y agoMaybe it's just me, but I find the serviceability of Thinkpads subpar. This one is from the T420's maintenance manual: 1170 Fan assembly For access, remove these FRUs in order: * “1010 Battery pack” on page 67 * “1020 ExpressCard blank bezel” on page 68 * “1050 DIMM slot cover” on page 73 * “1070 PCI Express Mini Card for wireless WAN” on page 75 * “1080 Keyboard” on page 77 * “1110 PCI Express Mini Card for wireless LAN” on page 85 * “1120 Keyboard bezel assembly, FPC cable, and Bluethooth daughter card” on page 87 * “1150 Speaker assembly” on page 95 * “1160 LCD unit” on page 97 https://thinkpads.com/support/hmm/hmm_pdf/t420_t420i_hmm.pdf https://thinkpads.com/support/hmm/hmm_pdf/t420_t420i_hmm.pdf
- dfox 6y agoI have the feeling that the "legendary thinkpad serviceability" means two things: the document that you cite is publicly available and that customer disassembling the whole thing and replacing one subassembly is supported way of solving warranty claims. And by the way, the "good thinkpad" series (ie. letter + two numbers) were both made and designed by Acer/Wistron and significantly mechanically simpler than the previous IBM designed thinkpads (eg. if you disassemble "low-cost" 600E, you end up with ~10 random-ish machined aluminium brackets and how to disassemble the thing is highly non-obvious).
- steerablesafe 6y agoFor most business line notebooks the maintenance guide is publicly available and you don't have to remove the speakers and lcd screen to access the fan assembly (serious, wtf?). Thinkpad serviceability is overrated, it's certainly not "legendary", even if you can consider it decent.
- TwoBit 6y ago98% of users aren't going to care about Linux support. That should be relevant only if they happen to need it.
- ekianjo 6y agoApart from the x1 gen 7 bad Linux support, pretty much every other thinkpad Linux support has been excellent.
- M0 6y agoWhat is the problem with gen 7 ? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_7) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carb... looks ok to me ?
- Pxtl 6y agoI'm on my 2nd dud in 2 years Lenovo has ruined ThinkPad.