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I just meant that Tiktok is a chinese owned company (and therefore state-owned). China has forced companies to do similar things before.

three_seagrass 6y ago
Right, by strong-arming businesses with the threat of not having access to the Chinese market - i.e. forcing Apple to move Chinese citizen cloud data to government-owned data centers. Google doesn't even have access to China so there's no financial motivation.
- chipperyman573 6y ago
  In 2018 google demonstrated interest in re-entering the chinese market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) It wouldn't be a stretch to assume there's something going on behind the scenes that China could use to force Google's hand. I'm not saying that's what happened but that is a possible response I was thinking about when writing my original comment.
  - three_seagrass 6y ago
    And summarily pulled out after Google employees revolted, showing that the employees at Google care more about privacy than money than the employees at Apple. Google still doesn't have access to China and even if they tried it again, the employees would leak and stop it again.
- thedudeabides5 6y ago
  And yet... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23305149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23305149
  - three_seagrass 6y ago
    >“Upon review by our teams, we have confirmed this was an error in our enforcement systems and we are working to fix it as quickly as possible,” said a YouTube spokesperson. https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/26/21270290/youtube-deleting-comments-censorship-chinese-communist-party-ccp https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/26/21270290/youtube-deleting...
Aperocky 6y ago
> chinese owned company (and therefore state-owned) lol. It's almost as if the entire reason that China is not a backward stagnant economy is because they allowed people to own things, on their own. But here we'll just close our eyes and pretend that didn't happen.
- jariel 6y ago
  Not really, we apparently accept that Chinese companies are privately owned, that's the stated legality. That 'all large Chinese companies are controlled to a greater or lesser degree by the state' - is a matter of fact highly suppressed and obfuscated by the state for purposes of aggressie control and statecraft. Nobody cares that much that there's a degree of 'central planning' to grow the Chinese economy. People care a lot that Huawei states they are 99% employee-owned, but in reality we don't really know who actually holds the power and that it seems more likely that the state has deep levers of control. It would be more transparent to just accept that Zoom and TikTok can and will be used as tools of the CCP. As far as Google and reviews ... it's going to be important that they remain very transparent and above board in such issues given all of the relevant factors.
  - powerapple 6y ago
    So all the success of all Chinese companies are led by the CCP, why don't the world (west) give up? They seem to be a perfect leader for world economy :)
    - bmn__ 6y ago
      That's not how it works. You've put up an argumentative strawman.

three_seagrass 6y ago

Right, by strong-arming businesses with the threat of not having access to the Chinese market - i.e. forcing Apple to move Chinese citizen cloud data to government-owned data centers. Google doesn't even have access to China so there's no financial motivation.

chipperyman573 6y ago
In 2018 google demonstrated interest in re-entering the chinese market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) It wouldn't be a stretch to assume there's something going on behind the scenes that China could use to force Google's hand. I'm not saying that's what happened but that is a possible response I was thinking about when writing my original comment.
- three_seagrass 6y ago
  And summarily pulled out after Google employees revolted, showing that the employees at Google care more about privacy than money than the employees at Apple. Google still doesn't have access to China and even if they tried it again, the employees would leak and stop it again.
thedudeabides5 6y ago
And yet... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23305149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23305149
- three_seagrass 6y ago
  >“Upon review by our teams, we have confirmed this was an error in our enforcement systems and we are working to fix it as quickly as possible,” said a YouTube spokesperson. https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/26/21270290/youtube-deleting-comments-censorship-chinese-communist-party-ccp https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/26/21270290/youtube-deleting...

Aperocky 6y ago

> chinese owned company (and therefore state-owned) lol. It's almost as if the entire reason that China is not a backward stagnant economy is because they allowed people to own things, on their own. But here we'll just close our eyes and pretend that didn't happen.

jariel 6y ago
Not really, we apparently accept that Chinese companies are privately owned, that's the stated legality. That 'all large Chinese companies are controlled to a greater or lesser degree by the state' - is a matter of fact highly suppressed and obfuscated by the state for purposes of aggressie control and statecraft. Nobody cares that much that there's a degree of 'central planning' to grow the Chinese economy. People care a lot that Huawei states they are 99% employee-owned, but in reality we don't really know who actually holds the power and that it seems more likely that the state has deep levers of control. It would be more transparent to just accept that Zoom and TikTok can and will be used as tools of the CCP. As far as Google and reviews ... it's going to be important that they remain very transparent and above board in such issues given all of the relevant factors.
- powerapple 6y ago
  So all the success of all Chinese companies are led by the CCP, why don't the world (west) give up? They seem to be a perfect leader for world economy :)
  - bmn__ 6y ago
    That's not how it works. You've put up an argumentative strawman.