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False attention grabbing title. They have not abandoned it, they said in the press conference just passed that they had suspended operations due to a radiation

by hartror 16y ago

False attention grabbing title. They have not abandoned it, they said in the press conference just passed that they had suspended operations due to a radiation peak but they expected to resume again without much delay. Edit: The workers have returned http://roound.com/redalert http://roound.com/redalert

jedsmith 16y ago
The entire article didn't mention any kind of expectation for resuming operations, and you are doubting the Associated Press here, not Gizmodo. Can you cite the rest? So far, I can only find this AP story.
- pauldino 16y ago
  BBC reports a suspension http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739
  - tptacek 16y ago
    BBC also reported 1,000 mSv measured at the plant. Pretty sure they got that wrong too.
    - jedsmith 16y ago
      The AP reported that figure as well in the linked article.
      - tptacek 16y ago
        That can't possibly be right, can it?
        jedsmith 16y ago
        It would certainly explain the evacuation. Edano said "1,000 milli-Sieverts" had been measured last night, but that it was down to under 800 now, and that at the gate the measurements were now in the milli- range as well (hence the evacuation). TEPCO is not exactly being forthcoming about Dai-ichi, but they're being really proactive in telling us the same exact thing about Daini every hour: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/index-e.html http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/index-e.htm...
        pauldino 16y ago
        Actually the BBC does seem wrong in that it is reporting 1000 millisieverts rather than microsieverts.
        jedsmith 16y ago
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739 ^ 1:20 in the video. Milli. Not micro. Those are Edano's words, not the BBC's. I was told above that he was corrected by another person and that various translations have it as a different figure, but that isn't in the linked video.
        ay 16y ago
        He misspoke. NHK correcting this now. micro is correct; NOT milli
        pyre 16y ago
        I haven't heard anything about 1000 mSv at all. I've been watching/listening to: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv
    - runningdogx 16y ago
      (According to the IAEA) There was one measurement of 400mSv between reactors 3 and 4 [1], I think which actually occurred sometime on monday GMT (possibly Tuesday morning in Japan), which prompted the evacuation. It fell again, which probably prompted the authorities to allow workers back in. The 1000mSv figure is most likely a misreporting of the transient 1008 or 1080uSv (I recall it had an 8 in it) measurement reported over the weekend, or some subsequent measurement... there have been lots in and around the plant that have been on the order of 1000uSv. I really wish everyone in the media speaking about the nuclear crisis would timestamp their comments accurately, ideally in GMT. People all around the world are trying to follow events, and it's nearly impossible to know when some reporter says something about an event whether they're using Japanese time, their local time, or GMT. [1] http://www.facebook.com/notes/international-atomic-energy-agency-iaea/japanese-earthquake-update-15-march-1125-utc/201923359837458 http://www.facebook.com/notes/international-atomic-energy-ag...
- msbarnett 16y ago
  It was just announced in a press conference that I caught live on NHK that they were planning on resuming operations shortly. The AP article seems to have been written prior to this conference.
  - hartror 16y ago
    Which is exactly what I refered to in my post. sigh
    - afterburner 16y ago
      I think everyone (including myself) was reacting to your claim it was a false attention grabbing title. Regardless of that, looks like broken telephone, best source might be to watch NHK broadcasts directly as you did (CNN seems to be translating it live?). The HTML-news sources didn't note the further detail then, maybe they have now. EDIT: Ah, NHK is providing the translation and stream. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv EDIT 2: Apparently they've been ordered back now. http://roound.com/redalert http://roound.com/redalert EDIT 3: Or not, no-one else is confirming.
      - hartror 16y ago
        "2:53 PM - Workers ordered to leave the Fukushima plant have been allowed back after radiation levels fell, the Japan nuclear agency said. Pumping of seawater at reactors at No. 1, 2 and 3 was proceeding smoothly, it said. (Reuters)" http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/#entry-6a00e0097e4e688833014e86bd94f8970d http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/#entry-6a...
- guscost 16y ago
  Thou shalt not doubt The Associated Press. Unbelievable.
afterburner 16y ago
The on-site workers have left, those who were basically right next to the reactor. There is no indication in any article I have read that they will soon return, only plans of helicopter based fire-fighting or other options.
- hartror 16y ago
  They ruled out using helicopters as anything but a last resort in the press conference. They said it was too risky to dump lots of water on the already fragile reactors.
  - capedape 16y ago
    via @W7VOA "S. Korea to ship boric acid to help Japan stabilize nuclear reactors."
    - hartror 16y ago
      You don't need a helicopter to deliver boric acid into the reactors.
      - danvet 16y ago
        But you need tons of additional water if you deliver it with a helicopter.
  - hartror 16y ago
    And it would seem they have decided to take the risk. NHK reporting Japan self-defense forces are preparing to pour water on Daiichi No. 3 reactor from helicopter.
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po 16y ago
I agree the word "abandon" sounds too final. It sounds like they've given up on it which is not true. I think a non-sensationalist headline would say workers have "pulled away".
patrickgzill 16y ago
Kyodo News reported that staff had vacated the control room due to high levels of radioactivity. If that is not "abandoning" then it is pretty close to it. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/japan-quake-live-blog-fire-erupts-in-fourth-reactor-radiation-warning-issued/?hpt=T1&replytocom=502871 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/japan-quake-live-blog-f... (scroll down or search for "control" in the postings)
- ubernostrum 16y ago
  The problem people seem to have is that "abandon" implies "everyone has left and no-one will ever come back", and that the plant will be left, unattended, to its fate. While various articles seem to actually be saying "people left temporarily, but will be coming back" and that efforts will continue to deal with the problem.
  - Duff 16y ago
    I'd argue that is splitting hairs. What will magically lower the radiation when the workers leave? They can't drop boric acid and water on the half-melted reactors from helicopters for fear of rupturing them further, the control systems are no longer effective, and pumping in seawater hasn't worked too well so far.
    - rmah 16y ago
      <i>What will magically lower the radiation when the workers leave?</i> Time.
      - Aetius 16y ago
        Wind.
      - hartror 16y ago
        Right. Most of the radiologicals that have been released with the steam have very short half lives so the radiation levels drop rapidly (relatively speaking).
smackfu 16y ago
CNN actually sent out breaking news alerts for both. Silly.

by hartror 16y ago

jedsmith 16y ago

The entire article didn't mention any kind of expectation for resuming operations, and you are doubting the Associated Press here, not Gizmodo. Can you cite the rest? So far, I can only find this AP story.

pauldino 16y ago
BBC reports a suspension http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739
- tptacek 16y ago
  BBC also reported 1,000 mSv measured at the plant. Pretty sure they got that wrong too.
  - jedsmith 16y ago
    The AP reported that figure as well in the linked article.
    - tptacek 16y ago
      That can't possibly be right, can it?
      - jedsmith 16y ago
        It would certainly explain the evacuation. Edano said "1,000 milli-Sieverts" had been measured last night, but that it was down to under 800 now, and that at the gate the measurements were now in the milli- range as well (hence the evacuation). TEPCO is not exactly being forthcoming about Dai-ichi, but they're being really proactive in telling us the same exact thing about Daini every hour: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/index-e.html http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/index-e.htm...
        pauldino 16y ago
        Actually the BBC does seem wrong in that it is reporting 1000 millisieverts rather than microsieverts.
        jedsmith 16y ago
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739 ^ 1:20 in the video. Milli. Not micro. Those are Edano's words, not the BBC's. I was told above that he was corrected by another person and that various translations have it as a different figure, but that isn't in the linked video.
        ay 16y ago
        He misspoke. NHK correcting this now. micro is correct; NOT milli
      - pyre 16y ago
        I haven't heard anything about 1000 mSv at all. I've been watching/listening to: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv
  - runningdogx 16y ago
    (According to the IAEA) There was one measurement of 400mSv between reactors 3 and 4 [1], I think which actually occurred sometime on monday GMT (possibly Tuesday morning in Japan), which prompted the evacuation. It fell again, which probably prompted the authorities to allow workers back in. The 1000mSv figure is most likely a misreporting of the transient 1008 or 1080uSv (I recall it had an 8 in it) measurement reported over the weekend, or some subsequent measurement... there have been lots in and around the plant that have been on the order of 1000uSv. I really wish everyone in the media speaking about the nuclear crisis would timestamp their comments accurately, ideally in GMT. People all around the world are trying to follow events, and it's nearly impossible to know when some reporter says something about an event whether they're using Japanese time, their local time, or GMT. [1] http://www.facebook.com/notes/international-atomic-energy-agency-iaea/japanese-earthquake-update-15-march-1125-utc/201923359837458 http://www.facebook.com/notes/international-atomic-energy-ag...
msbarnett 16y ago
It was just announced in a press conference that I caught live on NHK that they were planning on resuming operations shortly. The AP article seems to have been written prior to this conference.
- hartror 16y ago
  Which is exactly what I refered to in my post. sigh
  - afterburner 16y ago
    I think everyone (including myself) was reacting to your claim it was a false attention grabbing title. Regardless of that, looks like broken telephone, best source might be to watch NHK broadcasts directly as you did (CNN seems to be translating it live?). The HTML-news sources didn't note the further detail then, maybe they have now. EDIT: Ah, NHK is providing the translation and stream. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv EDIT 2: Apparently they've been ordered back now. http://roound.com/redalert http://roound.com/redalert EDIT 3: Or not, no-one else is confirming.
    - hartror 16y ago
      "2:53 PM - Workers ordered to leave the Fukushima plant have been allowed back after radiation levels fell, the Japan nuclear agency said. Pumping of seawater at reactors at No. 1, 2 and 3 was proceeding smoothly, it said. (Reuters)" http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/#entry-6a00e0097e4e688833014e86bd94f8970d http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/#entry-6a...
guscost 16y ago
Thou shalt not doubt The Associated Press. Unbelievable.

afterburner 16y ago

The on-site workers have left, those who were basically right next to the reactor. There is no indication in any article I have read that they will soon return, only plans of helicopter based fire-fighting or other options.

hartror 16y ago
They ruled out using helicopters as anything but a last resort in the press conference. They said it was too risky to dump lots of water on the already fragile reactors.
- capedape 16y ago
  via @W7VOA "S. Korea to ship boric acid to help Japan stabilize nuclear reactors."
  - hartror 16y ago
    You don't need a helicopter to deliver boric acid into the reactors.
    - danvet 16y ago
      But you need tons of additional water if you deliver it with a helicopter.
- hartror 16y ago
  And it would seem they have decided to take the risk. NHK reporting Japan self-defense forces are preparing to pour water on Daiichi No. 3 reactor from helicopter.

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po 16y ago

I agree the word "abandon" sounds too final. It sounds like they've given up on it which is not true. I think a non-sensationalist headline would say workers have "pulled away".

patrickgzill 16y ago

Kyodo News reported that staff had vacated the control room due to high levels of radioactivity. If that is not "abandoning" then it is pretty close to it. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/japan-quake-live-blog-fire-erupts-in-fourth-reactor-radiation-warning-issued/?hpt=T1&replytocom=502871 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/japan-quake-live-blog-f... (scroll down or search for "control" in the postings)

ubernostrum 16y ago
The problem people seem to have is that "abandon" implies "everyone has left and no-one will ever come back", and that the plant will be left, unattended, to its fate. While various articles seem to actually be saying "people left temporarily, but will be coming back" and that efforts will continue to deal with the problem.
- Duff 16y ago
  I'd argue that is splitting hairs. What will magically lower the radiation when the workers leave? They can't drop boric acid and water on the half-melted reactors from helicopters for fear of rupturing them further, the control systems are no longer effective, and pumping in seawater hasn't worked too well so far.
  - rmah 16y ago
    <i>What will magically lower the radiation when the workers leave?</i> Time.
    - Aetius 16y ago
      Wind.
    - hartror 16y ago
      Right. Most of the radiologicals that have been released with the steam have very short half lives so the radiation levels drop rapidly (relatively speaking).

smackfu 16y ago

CNN actually sent out breaking news alerts for both. Silly.