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> He believes that human lives are more important than property rights. How do you justify creating a total ordering of rights in this way? And why do you thin

> He believes that human lives are more important than property rights. How do you justify creating a total ordering of rights in this way? And why do you think that there is no intersection between these two sets: "human rights" and "property rights"?

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TaylorAlexander 6y ago
I suppose it's more of a general line of thought, not a hard "total ordering". "Property rights" is also a broad term, and perhaps equally important are "property norms". Also I find this theoretical stuff hard to explain in detail. I am a full time engineer, but I'd like to spend more time reading theory so I could easily and concisely explain all of this stuff in my own writing and when I talk with others. My explanation is not super important though, because I do not believe I should impose my beliefs on you. There are however places where our beliefs (and the law) intersect. For example if you start a company that makes something really useful, but you include a little software lock or a hardware ID circuit that locks down the products ability, do I have the "right" to bypass your lock? Do you have the right to send police in to my town and stop me from using the item I unlocked? That is the domain where our ideas intersect. Where you and I have reason to care about each other's beliefs. In that case I should get better at explaining my side, and I may want to fight to reduce the laws that give you this control over me. But I am an anarcho communist. I am also a left-libertarian. I think property rights are useful, but I think it is wrong for a huge store of grain to sit full behind a barb wire fence while people starve outside.
- sk5t 6y ago
  > I think it is wrong for a huge store of grain to sit full behind a barb wire fence while people starve outside If only the world worked by such simplistic rules... take the grain, and thus steal from / starve the farmer or the people who work to distribute grain to market?
  - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
    I was asked by a moderator not to perpetuate this discussion, but I just wanted to say that I do not envision a world of repeated theft, but a world where no one would put up the barb wire fence to keep out the hungry in the first place. And I do not want to be the person keeping the grain from the hungry. It requires the consent of people on both sides of the fence to make that happen. I won't reply further to avoid continuing the discussion further, but I had to correct the assertion that my view on this is simplistic.

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TaylorAlexander 6y ago

I suppose it's more of a general line of thought, not a hard "total ordering". "Property rights" is also a broad term, and perhaps equally important are "property norms". Also I find this theoretical stuff hard to explain in detail. I am a full time engineer, but I'd like to spend more time reading theory so I could easily and concisely explain all of this stuff in my own writing and when I talk with others. My explanation is not super important though, because I do not believe I should impose my beliefs on you. There are however places where our beliefs (and the law) intersect. For example if you start a company that makes something really useful, but you include a little software lock or a hardware ID circuit that locks down the products ability, do I have the "right" to bypass your lock? Do you have the right to send police in to my town and stop me from using the item I unlocked? That is the domain where our ideas intersect. Where you and I have reason to care about each other's beliefs. In that case I should get better at explaining my side, and I may want to fight to reduce the laws that give you this control over me. But I am an anarcho communist. I am also a left-libertarian. I think property rights are useful, but I think it is wrong for a huge store of grain to sit full behind a barb wire fence while people starve outside.

sk5t 6y ago
> I think it is wrong for a huge store of grain to sit full behind a barb wire fence while people starve outside If only the world worked by such simplistic rules... take the grain, and thus steal from / starve the farmer or the people who work to distribute grain to market?
- TaylorAlexander 6y ago
  I was asked by a moderator not to perpetuate this discussion, but I just wanted to say that I do not envision a world of repeated theft, but a world where no one would put up the barb wire fence to keep out the hungry in the first place. And I do not want to be the person keeping the grain from the hungry. It requires the consent of people on both sides of the fence to make that happen. I won't reply further to avoid continuing the discussion further, but I had to correct the assertion that my view on this is simplistic.