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I can work remotely since years, I often did. I work for a company with a few offices, none is less than 500 miles aways from where I live. I will likely neve

I can work remotely since years, I often did. I work for a company with a few offices, none is less than 500 miles aways from where I live. I will likely never go back to those office. But I could not picture myself working "on the road". I did it, it's stressful and leads to less productivity on my side. Have you try an intense and involve pair programing session from a 'normal' coffee shop? It's frustrating. Noises, and lack of secondary monitors make it so. Pretty often, I would have a week or two where I work from somewhere else, but I secure the place in advance , the network connection, and try to work it out with my co-workers if it's imply separate timezone. ( yay for daily stand up at 4AM ! ) I did work from a van from a few weeks. I was actually not working, mostly reacting. ( taking meeting, working on tickets as they are assigned to me... but never taking a deep breath and looking at how makes things better on the long run. ) Edit : my english is broken

bitL 6y ago
Change places regularly and rent an apartment one month at a time so that you have some stability for work. AirBnB used to be great for that.
ganstyles 6y ago
I've had this same experience, but a perspective from not necessarily working from coffee shops but places like airbnbs. Mostly it's awful and stressful like you mention. Many airbnbs don't have great internet or a comfortable desk to work at. I've had nothing but issues with Airbnb wifi even when the host has, literally, told me things like "we have solid fiber internet 1gbps" after confirming specifically and laying out my use case. My house has a legit 800kbps down over wifi, which speeds up development and increases reliability of connections significantly. I really need a home base with reliable internet and a comfortable spot to work. I have never been able to find this at all on the road, and certainly not consistently.
WWLink 6y ago
I could probably count on my hands the number of times I've pair programmed in the last 6 years. I've only ever really used it when triaging a problem. And even then we're usually doing it at our own computers while communicating every now and then.
adarioble 6y ago
My thoughts exactly. Unless you have a stable place to work, it’s mostly pain and stress and being reactive rather than super productive. My company gives out 12” little cute Thinkpads to those who want a Windows machine. Those machines without a dock are really good just for checking emails in the airport.
- em-bee 6y ago
  which model is that thinkpad? laptop size depends on what kind of work you do. for a support dev or sysadmin, constantly on the move (visiting clients, etc) a small laptop is more productive than lugging around a large heavy piece of equipment.
  - lozf 6y ago
    The X280 is the last 12 / 12.5" proper Thinkpad. Last year's equivalent moved to 13" screens, hence X390 (Intel) and X395 (AMD). The second digit usually corresponds to the first digit of the Intel Processor model no, though I think there's been some exceptions over the last few years (certainly with the T series anyway).
GordonS 6y ago
Agreed, the dream of working from a beach with your toes in the sand sipping a pina colada is very much oversold. I work from an airport or airport cafe on occasion, but the ergonomics and noise don't make it a comfortable experience for long. And of course you are working on a small laptop screen. To be properly productive, I need a quiet space, a desk at the proper height, a comfortable chair, and ideally 2 good-sized monitors.
karmelapple 6y ago
Small thing about multiple screens on a laptop: Sidecar in the latest macOS Catalina is pretty amazing. It is very high speed, it feels just like a wired external monitor, even when it’s extending wirelessly from my MacBook Pro. If you have an iPad and MacBook that support it, I highly recommend it. I used it in a library while traveling, and it was a serious improvement in productivity.
asdff 6y ago
The coffee shop only needs headphones, but I think there's demand there for a coffee shop that also has desks with monitors that you could hook into/rent. I'd love to be able to just rent desk space around town if it's cheap enough to pull me from home and has some perks that make it worth it, like a great internet connection or if it was more walkable to home vs work (I live in a city).
- nine_k 6y ago
  So, they just will become coworking spaces, with additional amenities (4K monitors, standing desks, advanced chairs) available at extra pay. Maybe you could even book them for a couple weeks, or months, to be yours. Then imagine that your employer would offer you to compensate the coworking space's cost. And maybe the corporate Slack channel would start coordinating colleagues to go to the same cafe / coworking space to improve communication. Etc. And all this stuff would do nothing to limit one's exposure to viruses and other pathogens; if anything, it would make the situation worse, by mixing people even more. Work from home (or its equivalent, like a long-term remote resort in a cheaper country) makes sense. Work from a well-situated, well-stoked office makes sense. Work form "anywhere" makes way, way less sense; one must be hard-pressed by circumstances to choose it.
  - badestrand 6y ago
    > Work form "anywhere" makes way, way less sense; one must be hard-pressed by circumstances to choose it. I like your analytical approach and you are right: why go to a coworking space when there's not much difference to a real office anyway? I think the answer for me lies in the flexibility: In a coworking space I can come in or leave at whatever time I want. When I have an unproductive day I can go home at noon and when I feel like working on Saturday I will do so. Offices just have this peer pressure for Mo-Fr 9-6 that you can't evade and coworkers or your manager will raise their brows if you deviate from it. Even in coworking spaces I actually work a very regular schedule, but I just dislike not having the possibility to break out of it.
    - nine_k 6y ago

bitL 6y ago

Change places regularly and rent an apartment one month at a time so that you have some stability for work. AirBnB used to be great for that.

ganstyles 6y ago

I've had this same experience, but a perspective from not necessarily working from coffee shops but places like airbnbs. Mostly it's awful and stressful like you mention. Many airbnbs don't have great internet or a comfortable desk to work at. I've had nothing but issues with Airbnb wifi even when the host has, literally, told me things like "we have solid fiber internet 1gbps" after confirming specifically and laying out my use case. My house has a legit 800kbps down over wifi, which speeds up development and increases reliability of connections significantly. I really need a home base with reliable internet and a comfortable spot to work. I have never been able to find this at all on the road, and certainly not consistently.

WWLink 6y ago

I could probably count on my hands the number of times I've pair programmed in the last 6 years. I've only ever really used it when triaging a problem. And even then we're usually doing it at our own computers while communicating every now and then.

adarioble 6y ago

My thoughts exactly. Unless you have a stable place to work, it’s mostly pain and stress and being reactive rather than super productive. My company gives out 12” little cute Thinkpads to those who want a Windows machine. Those machines without a dock are really good just for checking emails in the airport.

em-bee 6y ago
which model is that thinkpad? laptop size depends on what kind of work you do. for a support dev or sysadmin, constantly on the move (visiting clients, etc) a small laptop is more productive than lugging around a large heavy piece of equipment.
- lozf 6y ago
  The X280 is the last 12 / 12.5" proper Thinkpad. Last year's equivalent moved to 13" screens, hence X390 (Intel) and X395 (AMD). The second digit usually corresponds to the first digit of the Intel Processor model no, though I think there's been some exceptions over the last few years (certainly with the T series anyway).

GordonS 6y ago

Agreed, the dream of working from a beach with your toes in the sand sipping a pina colada is very much oversold. I work from an airport or airport cafe on occasion, but the ergonomics and noise don't make it a comfortable experience for long. And of course you are working on a small laptop screen. To be properly productive, I need a quiet space, a desk at the proper height, a comfortable chair, and ideally 2 good-sized monitors.

karmelapple 6y ago

Small thing about multiple screens on a laptop: Sidecar in the latest macOS Catalina is pretty amazing. It is very high speed, it feels just like a wired external monitor, even when it’s extending wirelessly from my MacBook Pro. If you have an iPad and MacBook that support it, I highly recommend it. I used it in a library while traveling, and it was a serious improvement in productivity.

asdff 6y ago

The coffee shop only needs headphones, but I think there's demand there for a coffee shop that also has desks with monitors that you could hook into/rent. I'd love to be able to just rent desk space around town if it's cheap enough to pull me from home and has some perks that make it worth it, like a great internet connection or if it was more walkable to home vs work (I live in a city).

nine_k 6y ago
So, they just will become coworking spaces, with additional amenities (4K monitors, standing desks, advanced chairs) available at extra pay. Maybe you could even book them for a couple weeks, or months, to be yours. Then imagine that your employer would offer you to compensate the coworking space's cost. And maybe the corporate Slack channel would start coordinating colleagues to go to the same cafe / coworking space to improve communication. Etc. And all this stuff would do nothing to limit one's exposure to viruses and other pathogens; if anything, it would make the situation worse, by mixing people even more. Work from home (or its equivalent, like a long-term remote resort in a cheaper country) makes sense. Work from a well-situated, well-stoked office makes sense. Work form "anywhere" makes way, way less sense; one must be hard-pressed by circumstances to choose it.
- badestrand 6y ago
  > Work form "anywhere" makes way, way less sense; one must be hard-pressed by circumstances to choose it. I like your analytical approach and you are right: why go to a coworking space when there's not much difference to a real office anyway? I think the answer for me lies in the flexibility: In a coworking space I can come in or leave at whatever time I want. When I have an unproductive day I can go home at noon and when I feel like working on Saturday I will do so. Offices just have this peer pressure for Mo-Fr 9-6 that you can't evade and coworkers or your manager will raise their brows if you deviate from it. Even in coworking spaces I actually work a very regular schedule, but I just dislike not having the possibility to break out of it.
  - nine_k 6y ago