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Exactly, and it was also suggested that for years the show producer would take bribes from artists for placing them at the top of the list. The song in questio

by mamon 6y ago

Exactly, and it was also suggested that for years the show producer would take bribes from artists for placing them at the top of the list. The song in question here actually ended up in the fourth place, was placed on 1st deliberately - it was kind of a political statement by the show producer.

seba_dos1 6y ago
The official explanations by directors on what happened were drastically changing a few times - each time right after a lie in previous one was brutally exposed. The accusations about bribing also appeared out of nowhere in a very suspicious manner, right at the very convenient time, and quickly disappeared when it became apparent that people in general actually trust the hosts. It was no secret that they do filter suspicious votes manually and it was publicly discussed in various interviews many years ago. There's also a huge community of list geeks who have archived and analyzed the results since the beginning of the list in 80s, and thanks to them it was trivial to expose obvious lies around this topic (it certainly didn't help that the directors and people in pro-gov media clearly didn't have any idea on how the list even worked for past 30 years). The 4th position comes from counting all the fraudulent votes in, something that has been confirmed by the Polish Radio itself and which is clearly visible because of unnatural moves of lots of other songs relative to previous week's chart. One really has to be naive to believe in what you posted. Really.
p_l 6y ago
The show producer selects what songs are available for voting. As for the "bribery"... well, they found a no-name wedding singer of dubious reputation claiming that. Unless one is firmy behind the party, pretty much haven't heard anyone believing that line. It's why they switched to classic "he was State Security informant" or "we're removing (post-)commies" (remember, in PiS newspeak "post-communist" covers "anyone who is against PiS" and is supposed to imply that they are actually communist. Fuck logic.)
- mamon 6y ago
  First of all, it's not just that he selects what songs enter the voting. He manipulated results afterwards, with the stupid excuse of "just removing fraudulent votes" As for "he was State Security informant" - that's really important factor to consider because it tells a lot about person's character. I mean what kind of scumbag would voluntarily provide information that might put people who did nothing wrong, other than oposing communist government, in jail, or worse yet, killed by "unknown perpetrators"? And for what - money, chance to advance his career? Once an asshole, always an asshole.
  - p_l 6y ago
    1) As far as I could find, he is only accused, with no actual evidence following 2) by people for whom having not just "informants", but people directly involved in oppression in their party means nothing. So who is a bigger asshole? Accused without evidence, or someone for whom we have explicit documentation of "vigorously defending government against revolutionaries"?

by mamon 6y ago

seba_dos1 6y ago

The official explanations by directors on what happened were drastically changing a few times - each time right after a lie in previous one was brutally exposed. The accusations about bribing also appeared out of nowhere in a very suspicious manner, right at the very convenient time, and quickly disappeared when it became apparent that people in general actually trust the hosts. It was no secret that they do filter suspicious votes manually and it was publicly discussed in various interviews many years ago. There's also a huge community of list geeks who have archived and analyzed the results since the beginning of the list in 80s, and thanks to them it was trivial to expose obvious lies around this topic (it certainly didn't help that the directors and people in pro-gov media clearly didn't have any idea on how the list even worked for past 30 years). The 4th position comes from counting all the fraudulent votes in, something that has been confirmed by the Polish Radio itself and which is clearly visible because of unnatural moves of lots of other songs relative to previous week's chart. One really has to be naive to believe in what you posted. Really.

p_l 6y ago

The show producer selects what songs are available for voting. As for the "bribery"... well, they found a no-name wedding singer of dubious reputation claiming that. Unless one is firmy behind the party, pretty much haven't heard anyone believing that line. It's why they switched to classic "he was State Security informant" or "we're removing (post-)commies" (remember, in PiS newspeak "post-communist" covers "anyone who is against PiS" and is supposed to imply that they are actually communist. Fuck logic.)

mamon 6y ago
First of all, it's not just that he selects what songs enter the voting. He manipulated results afterwards, with the stupid excuse of "just removing fraudulent votes" As for "he was State Security informant" - that's really important factor to consider because it tells a lot about person's character. I mean what kind of scumbag would voluntarily provide information that might put people who did nothing wrong, other than oposing communist government, in jail, or worse yet, killed by "unknown perpetrators"? And for what - money, chance to advance his career? Once an asshole, always an asshole.
- p_l 6y ago
  1) As far as I could find, he is only accused, with no actual evidence following 2) by people for whom having not just "informants", but people directly involved in oppression in their party means nothing. So who is a bigger asshole? Accused without evidence, or someone for whom we have explicit documentation of "vigorously defending government against revolutionaries"?