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The same thing can't really happen in US because US does not have state media. (Apart from funding Radio free Europe which can't operate in US.)

azinman2 6y ago
So what’s NPR, PBS, and VOA? Note that Trump is actively trying to reorient VOA to be Trump-friendly right now.
- etrabroline 6y ago
  You might find this spin-job entertaining. https://apnews.com/afs:Content:7064410002 https://apnews.com/afs:Content:7064410002
- lonelappde 6y ago
  They have editorial independence. At most they have financial dependence. And Trump's attack on VOA is failing because VOA is protected from him by law.
- mintplant 6y ago
  NPR is an independent nonprofit organization. Most of its funding comes from member station dues, as well as donations, grants, sponsorships, etc. 2% of the parent organization's revenue comes from government grants. Member stations also receive some government grants but most of their funding comes from listener contributions, sponsorships, etc. The situation with PBS is similar but a bit more complicated to tease apart. The majority of PBS's funding comes from member station dues, but it also does receive some tens of millions from the federally-funded Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) each year, and the CPB also supports those member PBS stations. PBS and the CPB also work together on program acquisition and development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS
ur-whale 6y ago
You are deeply deluded. The control isn't exerted in the same way, but it is certainly there.
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  It’s always amazed me that Americans are never curious as to why they always have the vast diversity of just two choices from major domestic sources.
  - viklove 6y ago
    It always amazes me how much foreigners love to hate on America regardless of what the reality of a situation is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_Unit...
    - hindsightbias 6y ago
      And yet they all say the exact same things... As an American, I suggest you try some foreign media. Unless you’re uncomfortable hearing something outside your safe space.
      - viklove 6y ago
        > And yet they all say the exact same things... Got some proof of this? > I suggest you try some foreign media I read plenty of foreign media, I'm not nationalistic or racist like you.
        hindsightbias 6y ago
        Ah, after hatefully assuming I’m an American-hating foreigner, I’m now an American-hating nationalisitc racist American... Bully for you!
        viklove 6y ago
Barrin92 6y ago
The thing that public radio stations like this try to prevent has already happened in the US. Which is bifurcation of news sources into partisan camps. It's just that American citizens don't see a problem with partisan information or censorship as long as it is privately served.
tehjoker 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent For those that don't like to read there's a brief animated YouTube introduction voiced by Amy Goodman of "Democracy Now!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M This theory, backed by enormous volumes of evidence and case studies, is very much worth a read. It explains how propaganda is instituted in the US without overt censorship.
kristopolous 6y ago
If by "state" you mean the collections of peoples who have administrative authority over how society operates then corporations are part of this. We use government officials to lobby overseas on corporation's behalf, issue new currency to make sure they stay afloat, entrust them with water, power, roads, waste management and schools. They make our war supplies, run the mercenaries for the wars, manage the state's finances through private banks and run elections. Some even have charters to manage entire cities (such as the Irvine Group). We use state apparatuses to defend them overseas. They run the media and manage such mundane state functions as traffic citations and parking fees. Corporations are part of the state apparatus. You could say corporations aren't part of the state apparatus because you've personally decided not to classify them as such ... but that's just playing some theatrical dictionary game, it's not real. If something runs the elections, fights the wars, manage the municipal services and finances, then they are the state, that's what the word means. Corporations are part of the unelected bureaucratic administrative state. We have state media, we just call it "corporate media" but that's merely a rhetorical slight of hand.
- etrabroline 6y ago
  I think it's better to think of both the state and the media as arenas in which political battle is waged. US corporate media is not literally state media, but they are both controlled by the same political forces that currently dominate the US. Wikipedia calls this the "state-as-venue" view.
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dntbnmpls 6y ago
All modern nations ( especially major nations ) have state media. No nation can exist without state media. Propaganda is a necessary condition for a nation. All the major media companies are part of the state. If you think the NYTimes, Disney, CBS, etc are not part of the state, then you really haven't been paying attention. The difference is that in some countries the state uses the government to control propaganda, in other countries the state uses the political party to control propaganda, in other countries the state uses money to control propaganda and in other countries it's a mishmash of some or all of these controls. Also, there is a difference in level of control. Some assert total control while other have degrees of control to create an illusion of free press.
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azinman2 6y ago

So what’s NPR, PBS, and VOA? Note that Trump is actively trying to reorient VOA to be Trump-friendly right now.

etrabroline 6y ago
You might find this spin-job entertaining. https://apnews.com/afs:Content:7064410002 https://apnews.com/afs:Content:7064410002
lonelappde 6y ago
They have editorial independence. At most they have financial dependence. And Trump's attack on VOA is failing because VOA is protected from him by law.
mintplant 6y ago
NPR is an independent nonprofit organization. Most of its funding comes from member station dues, as well as donations, grants, sponsorships, etc. 2% of the parent organization's revenue comes from government grants. Member stations also receive some government grants but most of their funding comes from listener contributions, sponsorships, etc. The situation with PBS is similar but a bit more complicated to tease apart. The majority of PBS's funding comes from member station dues, but it also does receive some tens of millions from the federally-funded Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) each year, and the CPB also supports those member PBS stations. PBS and the CPB also work together on program acquisition and development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS

ur-whale 6y ago

You are deeply deluded. The control isn't exerted in the same way, but it is certainly there.

hindsightbias 6y ago
It’s always amazed me that Americans are never curious as to why they always have the vast diversity of just two choices from major domestic sources.
- viklove 6y ago
  It always amazes me how much foreigners love to hate on America regardless of what the reality of a situation is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_Unit...
  - hindsightbias 6y ago
    And yet they all say the exact same things... As an American, I suggest you try some foreign media. Unless you’re uncomfortable hearing something outside your safe space.
    - viklove 6y ago
      > And yet they all say the exact same things... Got some proof of this? > I suggest you try some foreign media I read plenty of foreign media, I'm not nationalistic or racist like you.
      - hindsightbias 6y ago
        Ah, after hatefully assuming I’m an American-hating foreigner, I’m now an American-hating nationalisitc racist American... Bully for you!
        viklove 6y ago

Barrin92 6y ago

The thing that public radio stations like this try to prevent has already happened in the US. Which is bifurcation of news sources into partisan camps. It's just that American citizens don't see a problem with partisan information or censorship as long as it is privately served.

tehjoker 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent For those that don't like to read there's a brief animated YouTube introduction voiced by Amy Goodman of "Democracy Now!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M This theory, backed by enormous volumes of evidence and case studies, is very much worth a read. It explains how propaganda is instituted in the US without overt censorship.

kristopolous 6y ago

If by "state" you mean the collections of peoples who have administrative authority over how society operates then corporations are part of this. We use government officials to lobby overseas on corporation's behalf, issue new currency to make sure they stay afloat, entrust them with water, power, roads, waste management and schools. They make our war supplies, run the mercenaries for the wars, manage the state's finances through private banks and run elections. Some even have charters to manage entire cities (such as the Irvine Group). We use state apparatuses to defend them overseas. They run the media and manage such mundane state functions as traffic citations and parking fees. Corporations are part of the state apparatus. You could say corporations aren't part of the state apparatus because you've personally decided not to classify them as such ... but that's just playing some theatrical dictionary game, it's not real. If something runs the elections, fights the wars, manage the municipal services and finances, then they are the state, that's what the word means. Corporations are part of the unelected bureaucratic administrative state. We have state media, we just call it "corporate media" but that's merely a rhetorical slight of hand.

etrabroline 6y ago
I think it's better to think of both the state and the media as arenas in which political battle is waged. US corporate media is not literally state media, but they are both controlled by the same political forces that currently dominate the US. Wikipedia calls this the "state-as-venue" view.
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dntbnmpls 6y ago

All modern nations ( especially major nations ) have state media. No nation can exist without state media. Propaganda is a necessary condition for a nation. All the major media companies are part of the state. If you think the NYTimes, Disney, CBS, etc are not part of the state, then you really haven't been paying attention. The difference is that in some countries the state uses the government to control propaganda, in other countries the state uses the political party to control propaganda, in other countries the state uses money to control propaganda and in other countries it's a mishmash of some or all of these controls. Also, there is a difference in level of control. Some assert total control while other have degrees of control to create an illusion of free press.

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