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I see more anti-china sentiments there than in hacker news. And I see it on hacker news way too much in my opinion.

by rat9988 6y ago

rukittenme 6y ago
You see too much criticism of a fascist state that at every turn subverts human rights for its own benefit?
- henriquez 6y ago
  It’s impressive how well the corporatist media has twisted popular opinion, making criticism of the Chinese Communist Party a matter of “woke” politics. These are the same liars who sold us the Iraq war and told us to buy property on interest-only loans in 2007. But now we celebrate perjurers like James Clapper and brand people who rightfully criticize a totalitarian regime as racists.
  - jakemauer 6y ago
    Somehow I am able to admonish both simultaneously.
- pbk1 6y ago
  It's almost like people forget the US has no problem caging children at the border, that lynchings of black people are brushed off as self defense by our "justice" system, or that only a generation ago we detained Asian Americans in camps not that different from those in China..
  - rukittenme 6y ago
    Its almost as if people can live in countries other than China and the USA. But of course, you're right. All criticism of the Chinese state must be couched in the language of America's own failures. They're just like us after all. Maybe when they nuke Japan we will acknowledge our own sins rather than dare criticize our dear friends in the CCP.
  - 9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
    I'm sorry but America has the most lenient border control when it comes to illegal immigration. No other western country is so tolerable to illegal immigration and everyone believes in border control. Doesn't matter if left or right wing governments. EU sends all the illegals to camps that are like hell on islands, pays turkey to not let people to EU etc etc.
  - totalZero 6y ago
    Your argument is a false equivalence and seeks to absolve China of its crimes against humanity by pointing a finger at Americans for unrelated things. (aka "whataboutism") Americans had a problem with caging children at the border. Attention was immediately drawn to the abuses there, and several federal lawmakers visited the facilities to observe conditions and draw more media coverage to the situation. There are three people charged in the death of Ahmaud Arbery, due to massive outcry across our country. About a hundred thousand Japanese Americans were wrongly detained, during World War 2, out of fear they may be disloyal to the United States. Laborers in those internment camps were paid and reparations were later paid and Congress formally apologized. BTW "a generation" is 30 years, not 78. Xinjiang camps are slave labor camps, motivated not by war but by ethnic and religious differences, and they imprison ten to thirty times more people than the Japanese internment camps ever did. Inmates are tortured, brainwashed with Communist propaganda, subjected to unethical medical practices, and forced to violate their own religious beliefs. This is all happening now, not almost a century ago. It involves millions of people, not a hundred thousand. And it has been defended by the Chinese government and media, rather than being a point of contention for lawmakers and journalists domestically. The US and China are not alike.
    - dntbnmpls 6y ago
      > Your argument is a false equivalence and seeks to absolve China of its crimes against humanity by pointing a finger at Americans for unrelated things. (aka "whataboutism") "false equivalence", "whataboutism", etc standard propaganda terms. Refrain from using it too much as it will be obvious to most that you have an agenda. > Laborers in those internment camps were paid and reparations were later paid and Congress formally apologized. They weren't paid anything of value in comparison to what they lost. And virtue signaling apologies don't amount to much. > Xinjiang camps are slave labor camps, motivated not by war but by ethnic and religious differences Doesn't it have more to do with terrorism and separatism ( back by foreign powers )? And aren't the "slave labor camps" actually job camps because unemployment ( especially amongst young males ) is the major cause of unrest/terrorism/etc? > The US and China are not alike. You are right. They aren't going all over the world overthrowing democracies, invading countries and killing millions of people. This is happening now. Also, you can scream crimes against humanity, but didn't the "CCP" lift hundreds of millions of their people out of poverty? Where is the nuance? Maybe, the "CCP" isn't all evil like you claim, maybe the US isn't all evil. Maybe it's time to tone down on the propaganda?
totalZero 6y ago
Tech and China go hand in hand. It would be absolutely bonkers to read hacker news and expect to see nothing about China. The work of technologists has enriched their country, and that is a moral hazard that many businesses must increasingly consider.

I see more anti-china sentiments there than in hacker news. And I see it on hacker news way too much in my opinion.

rukittenme 6y ago

You see too much criticism of a fascist state that at every turn subverts human rights for its own benefit?

henriquez 6y ago
It’s impressive how well the corporatist media has twisted popular opinion, making criticism of the Chinese Communist Party a matter of “woke” politics. These are the same liars who sold us the Iraq war and told us to buy property on interest-only loans in 2007. But now we celebrate perjurers like James Clapper and brand people who rightfully criticize a totalitarian regime as racists.
- jakemauer 6y ago
  Somehow I am able to admonish both simultaneously.
pbk1 6y ago
It's almost like people forget the US has no problem caging children at the border, that lynchings of black people are brushed off as self defense by our "justice" system, or that only a generation ago we detained Asian Americans in camps not that different from those in China..
- rukittenme 6y ago
  Its almost as if people can live in countries other than China and the USA. But of course, you're right. All criticism of the Chinese state must be couched in the language of America's own failures. They're just like us after all. Maybe when they nuke Japan we will acknowledge our own sins rather than dare criticize our dear friends in the CCP.
- 9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
  I'm sorry but America has the most lenient border control when it comes to illegal immigration. No other western country is so tolerable to illegal immigration and everyone believes in border control. Doesn't matter if left or right wing governments. EU sends all the illegals to camps that are like hell on islands, pays turkey to not let people to EU etc etc.
- totalZero 6y ago
  Your argument is a false equivalence and seeks to absolve China of its crimes against humanity by pointing a finger at Americans for unrelated things. (aka "whataboutism") Americans had a problem with caging children at the border. Attention was immediately drawn to the abuses there, and several federal lawmakers visited the facilities to observe conditions and draw more media coverage to the situation. There are three people charged in the death of Ahmaud Arbery, due to massive outcry across our country. About a hundred thousand Japanese Americans were wrongly detained, during World War 2, out of fear they may be disloyal to the United States. Laborers in those internment camps were paid and reparations were later paid and Congress formally apologized. BTW "a generation" is 30 years, not 78. Xinjiang camps are slave labor camps, motivated not by war but by ethnic and religious differences, and they imprison ten to thirty times more people than the Japanese internment camps ever did. Inmates are tortured, brainwashed with Communist propaganda, subjected to unethical medical practices, and forced to violate their own religious beliefs. This is all happening now, not almost a century ago. It involves millions of people, not a hundred thousand. And it has been defended by the Chinese government and media, rather than being a point of contention for lawmakers and journalists domestically. The US and China are not alike.
  - dntbnmpls 6y ago
    > Your argument is a false equivalence and seeks to absolve China of its crimes against humanity by pointing a finger at Americans for unrelated things. (aka "whataboutism") "false equivalence", "whataboutism", etc standard propaganda terms. Refrain from using it too much as it will be obvious to most that you have an agenda. > Laborers in those internment camps were paid and reparations were later paid and Congress formally apologized. They weren't paid anything of value in comparison to what they lost. And virtue signaling apologies don't amount to much. > Xinjiang camps are slave labor camps, motivated not by war but by ethnic and religious differences Doesn't it have more to do with terrorism and separatism ( back by foreign powers )? And aren't the "slave labor camps" actually job camps because unemployment ( especially amongst young males ) is the major cause of unrest/terrorism/etc? > The US and China are not alike. You are right. They aren't going all over the world overthrowing democracies, invading countries and killing millions of people. This is happening now. Also, you can scream crimes against humanity, but didn't the "CCP" lift hundreds of millions of their people out of poverty? Where is the nuance? Maybe, the "CCP" isn't all evil like you claim, maybe the US isn't all evil. Maybe it's time to tone down on the propaganda?

totalZero 6y ago

Tech and China go hand in hand. It would be absolutely bonkers to read hacker news and expect to see nothing about China. The work of technologists has enriched their country, and that is a moral hazard that many businesses must increasingly consider.