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Hello fellow Poles! What's the deal with that song anyway. https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 is this the song?

by dpc_pw 6y ago

ecce_homo 6y ago
Yes, this is that song. Everything in polish media now is political discussion and/or fight about presidential elections (it's postponed due to covid19 crisis), and I consider this as part of this fight. Personally I think it is nothing to lose mind about.
- dpc_pw 6y ago
  I don't understand the references in that song, but doesn't seem like anything unexpected from the artist. Almost all his songs are a criticism of all political parties and governments and the social pathology. It's weird that would go to the top - my guess would be some coordinated political astro-turfing action.
  - Bishonen88 6y ago
    The song refers to the events of this years April 10th. Amid the corona crisis and restrictions, the 'Powąskowskie cemetery' was closed. It seems it was closed to the general public only, as PiS' leader, Jaroslaw K. allegedly received a personal permit to enter it and pray. He was therefore perhaps the only person entering the graveyard on that day. In this context, "Your pain is greater than mine" simply refers to the common citizen vs Jaroslaw. One can't go to see the grave's of his family/friends etc., whilst the other can.
    - dpc_pw 6y ago
      Oh. I see. Thanks! Seems like a petty symbolic favoritism, very much like what I would expect. Good for Kazik for pointing it out.
      - jacekm 6y ago
        There was a little bit more to it. April 10th is an anniversary of Polish presidential plane crash that occurred 10 years ago in which many polish statespeople have perished (including Jarosław's twin brother). Since that crash Jarosław and his party have used this tragedy for their political gains (mainly by creating conspiracy theories around the crash and promising to solve them). Jarosław's visit to the cemetery (together with members of the government) was another publicity stunt. If they just wanted to pay the respects to the deceased probably no one would care and they could easily get away with minor restriction violation. Instead they made it an official visit and broadcasted it in government-controlled TV.
        tlear 6y ago
        https://news.sky.com/story/smolensk-crash-explosions-on-board-before-plane-hit-ground-investigator-says-11233792 https://news.sky.com/story/smolensk-crash-explosions-on-boar... Of all the air crashes in history this got to be the most “convenient” does not mean it was a bomb but damn you got to wonder just how many corks of champagne got popped at Putin’s house when it happened.
        p_l 6y ago
        At the time it was actually inconvenient, as he needed some of those people live at a meeting a month later. Having observed from pretty short range how the events unfolded after that, they did jump on the insanity when polish government turned out to be weak against it. That would be when the corks got popped, IMO.
      - b0rsuk 6y ago
        Another facet is that Jarosław Kaczyński pretends to be some kind of political hermit with no personal life caring only about the greater good. The song calls attention to his duplicity and double standards. What makes it especially dangerous - and what probably got it banned - is that Polish media are highly polarized and many people read only articles from one side. As a consequence, PiS supporters are highly unlikely to hear anything critical of the party. But a song spreads very differently and crosses borders. There was a similar situation where a documentary about pedophilia in Church was released. The ruling party and Church support each other. They didn't care the movie - which is freely available because it was crowdfunded - is available in the internet. But police cracked down on people who tried to show the film locally. Taking something like that "to the streets" would make it possible for PiS supporters - who are often less educated, older and internet-averse - to randomly run into the documentary movie. Moral of the story: there's nothing spectacular about the song, it's even intentionally campy. The criticism is veiled and words polite. It was likely the fact that the message took the form of a song that made it intolerable. And the Trójka radio station folded not really because of a single song, rather it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
    - mirekrusin 6y ago
      "your pain is better than mine"
YayamiOmate 6y ago
The song isnt anything special itself, especially for this artist. It's clearly a critizicm of governing party approach to lockdown and martyrology. They clearly set the rules to avoid limitations and even avoid the rules. They also lost most relatives in 2010 crash including twin brother of the leader of governing part, then president in office. Though he doesn't hold any formal position he is most influential. So he used position to visit the grave, they made it an official celebration. So the song is just a criticism of perceived abuse of political power. Normal stuff with out any judgment. The funny thing starts at the radio. President of Polish Radio (national broadcaster) is politically appointed. They appointed CEO for this station. The station were run by people with 15-30 years within, so all govts basically, even when current party was in charge some time ago. Some of the redactors left, were forced out or let gone before. The chart is published for like 30 years, by same few people. The CEO knew the critic song will top it. Blocks whole programm, says vote was a fraud by chart leaders and listeners had right to know chart was bothched, this is almost a literal citation. Chart runners leave because of accusations. Their friends leave over all of recent managment. The station's programme director, which wasn't politically swapped showed SMS from the night before chart was supposed to be aired from polit CEO "To make sure the song they talked about is not aired". Supposedly CEO wanted redactors to sing paper saying vote was erroneous, they refused, so CEO blocked the air resulting in censorship. It's basically PR Chernobyl, and it was most iconic station in Poland. Sorry for long text but it's still a summary leaving few details. It shows overreaction blown out of proportions and mindset of people placed as directing managers. They could let the chart run and deal with it later but they choose worst option for some reason. They wanted to appease the party or were afraid of consequences of letting it air. Even the party leadership voices were saying it's poor decision making or straight up unacceptable, even if the song is crap. So, there's nothing in the song, it was the people appointed to run the thing.

Hello fellow Poles! What's the deal with that song anyway. https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 is this the song?

by dpc_pw 6y ago

Hello fellow Poles! What's the deal with that song anyway. https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 is this the song?

ecce_homo 6y ago

Yes, this is that song. Everything in polish media now is political discussion and/or fight about presidential elections (it's postponed due to covid19 crisis), and I consider this as part of this fight. Personally I think it is nothing to lose mind about.

dpc_pw 6y ago
I don't understand the references in that song, but doesn't seem like anything unexpected from the artist. Almost all his songs are a criticism of all political parties and governments and the social pathology. It's weird that would go to the top - my guess would be some coordinated political astro-turfing action.
- Bishonen88 6y ago
  The song refers to the events of this years April 10th. Amid the corona crisis and restrictions, the 'Powąskowskie cemetery' was closed. It seems it was closed to the general public only, as PiS' leader, Jaroslaw K. allegedly received a personal permit to enter it and pray. He was therefore perhaps the only person entering the graveyard on that day. In this context, "Your pain is greater than mine" simply refers to the common citizen vs Jaroslaw. One can't go to see the grave's of his family/friends etc., whilst the other can.
  - dpc_pw 6y ago
    Oh. I see. Thanks! Seems like a petty symbolic favoritism, very much like what I would expect. Good for Kazik for pointing it out.
    - jacekm 6y ago
      There was a little bit more to it. April 10th is an anniversary of Polish presidential plane crash that occurred 10 years ago in which many polish statespeople have perished (including Jarosław's twin brother). Since that crash Jarosław and his party have used this tragedy for their political gains (mainly by creating conspiracy theories around the crash and promising to solve them). Jarosław's visit to the cemetery (together with members of the government) was another publicity stunt. If they just wanted to pay the respects to the deceased probably no one would care and they could easily get away with minor restriction violation. Instead they made it an official visit and broadcasted it in government-controlled TV.
      - tlear 6y ago
        https://news.sky.com/story/smolensk-crash-explosions-on-board-before-plane-hit-ground-investigator-says-11233792 https://news.sky.com/story/smolensk-crash-explosions-on-boar... Of all the air crashes in history this got to be the most “convenient” does not mean it was a bomb but damn you got to wonder just how many corks of champagne got popped at Putin’s house when it happened.
        p_l 6y ago
        At the time it was actually inconvenient, as he needed some of those people live at a meeting a month later. Having observed from pretty short range how the events unfolded after that, they did jump on the insanity when polish government turned out to be weak against it. That would be when the corks got popped, IMO.
    - b0rsuk 6y ago
      Another facet is that Jarosław Kaczyński pretends to be some kind of political hermit with no personal life caring only about the greater good. The song calls attention to his duplicity and double standards. What makes it especially dangerous - and what probably got it banned - is that Polish media are highly polarized and many people read only articles from one side. As a consequence, PiS supporters are highly unlikely to hear anything critical of the party. But a song spreads very differently and crosses borders. There was a similar situation where a documentary about pedophilia in Church was released. The ruling party and Church support each other. They didn't care the movie - which is freely available because it was crowdfunded - is available in the internet. But police cracked down on people who tried to show the film locally. Taking something like that "to the streets" would make it possible for PiS supporters - who are often less educated, older and internet-averse - to randomly run into the documentary movie. Moral of the story: there's nothing spectacular about the song, it's even intentionally campy. The criticism is veiled and words polite. It was likely the fact that the message took the form of a song that made it intolerable. And the Trójka radio station folded not really because of a single song, rather it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
  - mirekrusin 6y ago
    "your pain is better than mine"

YayamiOmate 6y ago

The song isnt anything special itself, especially for this artist. It's clearly a critizicm of governing party approach to lockdown and martyrology. They clearly set the rules to avoid limitations and even avoid the rules. They also lost most relatives in 2010 crash including twin brother of the leader of governing part, then president in office. Though he doesn't hold any formal position he is most influential. So he used position to visit the grave, they made it an official celebration. So the song is just a criticism of perceived abuse of political power. Normal stuff with out any judgment. The funny thing starts at the radio. President of Polish Radio (national broadcaster) is politically appointed. They appointed CEO for this station. The station were run by people with 15-30 years within, so all govts basically, even when current party was in charge some time ago. Some of the redactors left, were forced out or let gone before. The chart is published for like 30 years, by same few people. The CEO knew the critic song will top it. Blocks whole programm, says vote was a fraud by chart leaders and listeners had right to know chart was bothched, this is almost a literal citation. Chart runners leave because of accusations. Their friends leave over all of recent managment. The station's programme director, which wasn't politically swapped showed SMS from the night before chart was supposed to be aired from polit CEO "To make sure the song they talked about is not aired". Supposedly CEO wanted redactors to sing paper saying vote was erroneous, they refused, so CEO blocked the air resulting in censorship. It's basically PR Chernobyl, and it was most iconic station in Poland. Sorry for long text but it's still a summary leaving few details. It shows overreaction blown out of proportions and mindset of people placed as directing managers. They could let the chart run and deal with it later but they choose worst option for some reason. They wanted to appease the party or were afraid of consequences of letting it air. Even the party leadership voices were saying it's poor decision making or straight up unacceptable, even if the song is crap. So, there's nothing in the song, it was the people appointed to run the thing.