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It bears repeating again - as responsible individuals, we can handle lock down for a few months. It's a reasonable thing to do given the uncertainty of the situ

It bears repeating again - as responsible individuals, we can handle lock down for a few months. It's a reasonable thing to do given the uncertainty of the situation. We won't do it for years - that's a delusion, a fantasy that ignores how the human mind works. It sounds like you don't want to take the risk of either contracting, or further spreading, the disease. No-one _wants_ to take that risk. But if the only alternative that you can suggest is deleting 1, 2, ... years of the prime of my life, staring at screens or meeting friends behind plexiglass, you've lost me completely, because you're describing the actions of a paperclip maximizer, not a human being. You're impacting others by expecting them to give up their lives. In that world view, either I'm autistic or you are; we don't have the same brain chemistry; your experience of the world is _so far_ from my own and most people I know that a blanket policy for both of us makes no sense.

SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago
> we can handle lock down for a few months. ... We won't do it for years This is binary, black-or-white, false dicotomy thinking: either lockdown, or we all go to the pub, movies, gigs, football etc, like before. I accept that it can't and won't be the full lockdown for years. But it won't be the other extreme until it's safe. It will be somewhere in-between. > But if the only alternative that you can suggest is deleting 1, 2, ... years of the prime of my life, staring at screens or meeting friends behind plexiglass, you've lost me completely, because you're describing the actions of a paperclip maximizer, not a human being You'd be surprised what people put up with in order to stay alive. Then again, I should say "some people" as there will be literal survivorship bias in that. People do need to realize that this is a period of relative hardship not seen in a few decades, and like WW1 it won't be "over by Christmas" and deal with it in ways that get us through.
- esotericn 6y ago
  I fully accept that you are willing to put up with this and that you'd like to see something 'in between'. I'm not and most people I know aren't. The 2 metre rule will kill off all of the cultural institutions I hold dear. The recent video of a Wetherspoons pub with 2m distancing has people guffawing up and down the country. It doesn't make sense to me anyway - as I've said, a person in a vulnerable group will not wish to perform outdoor leisure activities, or work, etc, even with the 2-metre-rule in place. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago
    > The 2 metre rule will kill off all of the cultural institutions I hold dear. So will people dying, far more effectively. What's your point? > The recent video of a Wetherspoons pub with 2m distancing has people guffawing up and down the country. And it's also insufficient. Not safe for hours in an enclosed space with strangers and recirculating air, not at 2 meters, or at 5 meters. https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them?fbclid=IwAR3Z_mKJoV9JxQK4SzUWNTB-IIEvtxu9bcOmmsm4g0ClaBEOFw92yGGCej4 https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-t... I don't think that "it raised a chuckle" is the devastating criticism of a deadly disease countermeasure that you seem to think it is. The virus won't care what you think.
    - esotericn 6y ago
      Yes, it's madness. The whole thing is pointless even if it did work, which it won't, because as I posted above people will ignore the rules almost instantaneously, especially once they're a few pints in. I'll just end this by saying that some people are like you, some people are like me. We're not going to stay in fear forever. You might. I hope whatever happens that you manage to find peace with it. Godspeed.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago
        And you're still in denial. I hope you get through it. But remember: You don't have to adapt, survival is optional.
        esotericn 6y ago
        You're invited to my funeral.. wait, no you're not, sorry, you can watch it on Zoom.

SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago

> we can handle lock down for a few months. ... We won't do it for years This is binary, black-or-white, false dicotomy thinking: either lockdown, or we all go to the pub, movies, gigs, football etc, like before. I accept that it can't and won't be the full lockdown for years. But it won't be the other extreme until it's safe. It will be somewhere in-between. > But if the only alternative that you can suggest is deleting 1, 2, ... years of the prime of my life, staring at screens or meeting friends behind plexiglass, you've lost me completely, because you're describing the actions of a paperclip maximizer, not a human being You'd be surprised what people put up with in order to stay alive. Then again, I should say "some people" as there will be literal survivorship bias in that. People do need to realize that this is a period of relative hardship not seen in a few decades, and like WW1 it won't be "over by Christmas" and deal with it in ways that get us through.

esotericn 6y ago
I fully accept that you are willing to put up with this and that you'd like to see something 'in between'. I'm not and most people I know aren't. The 2 metre rule will kill off all of the cultural institutions I hold dear. The recent video of a Wetherspoons pub with 2m distancing has people guffawing up and down the country. It doesn't make sense to me anyway - as I've said, a person in a vulnerable group will not wish to perform outdoor leisure activities, or work, etc, even with the 2-metre-rule in place. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
- SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago
  > The 2 metre rule will kill off all of the cultural institutions I hold dear. So will people dying, far more effectively. What's your point? > The recent video of a Wetherspoons pub with 2m distancing has people guffawing up and down the country. And it's also insufficient. Not safe for hours in an enclosed space with strangers and recirculating air, not at 2 meters, or at 5 meters. https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them?fbclid=IwAR3Z_mKJoV9JxQK4SzUWNTB-IIEvtxu9bcOmmsm4g0ClaBEOFw92yGGCej4 https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-t... I don't think that "it raised a chuckle" is the devastating criticism of a deadly disease countermeasure that you seem to think it is. The virus won't care what you think.
  - esotericn 6y ago
    Yes, it's madness. The whole thing is pointless even if it did work, which it won't, because as I posted above people will ignore the rules almost instantaneously, especially once they're a few pints in. I'll just end this by saying that some people are like you, some people are like me. We're not going to stay in fear forever. You might. I hope whatever happens that you manage to find peace with it. Godspeed.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago
      And you're still in denial. I hope you get through it. But remember: You don't have to adapt, survival is optional.
      - esotericn 6y ago
        You're invited to my funeral.. wait, no you're not, sorry, you can watch it on Zoom.