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Intel is till more convenient for user like me, who dislikes external videos. Most of AMD do not have integrated video, an those who have, show problems workin

Intel is till more convenient for user like me, who dislikes external videos. Most of AMD do not have integrated video, an those who have, show problems working in Linux and BSDs. AMDs also have higher idle consumption. Other than that, AMDs are clearly better CPUs.

beezle 6y ago
You raise an interesting point. I've been considering upgrading to threadripper from an older Xeon system but am put off by the cooling requirements (cpu, video, system) and how negative that will be on background noise.
- washadjeffmad 6y ago
  Threadripper with a be quiet! Dark Rock or Noctua cooler will run almost silently. With two GPUs, 8x DIMMs, and a X520-DA2, my home system pulls 380W under full load and is whisper quiet. That said, if you don't need very high core counts, the PCIe lanes, or the memory bandwidth, I'd build on Zen2 Ryzen instead.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    > That said, if you don't need very high core counts, the PCIe lanes, or the memory bandwidth I'm on 1900X because it has the PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth, but do not need the cores. The bonus is, that the fewer cores are clocker higher, becuase they still have the same temperature budget as the higher models.
  - wyclif 6y ago
    The YT link above to the L1 Techs build is like that. They wanted to optimize for quiet, so if you're like that too you should watch that video.
washadjeffmad 6y ago
Ryzen G series includes integrated graphics. There also aren't any major bugs for Zen/Zen 2/TR4 on Linux/BSD. Ironically, the largest stability issue with 1st/2nd gen Ryzen is caused by idling too efficiently. Older power supplies sense this sub-5W idle as being suspended or powered off and throttle their 12V rails, leading to system hangups. An option in BIOS must be set to raise the idle wattage for these PSUs. The demographic most affected by this, first time and budget builders, were also the least likely to be able to diagnose it, leading to its prevalence in forums. Search for "power supply idle control" to learn more about it.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
  This is clearly not true. There are serious problems with compatibility of integrated graphics in Ryzen and Linux. More or less reasonable support in Linux (and I am not even talking about FreeBSD, let alone other BSDs) appeared only very very recently, and it is still buggy, causes lockups, black screen boots etc. Not only that, Ryzen G series are not attractive at all because they are always underpowered and one generation behind; simply put, they suck. Speaking of Idle power consumption - there is evidence all over the internet, that Ryzens themselves are not neccerraly very power hungry, but their motherboard chipsets are. Here for example, Rx 3xxx consume 10W more at idle https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/power-idle.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/power-idle.... The reason is unclear, but it is what it is - they really hungrier.

beezle 6y ago

You raise an interesting point. I've been considering upgrading to threadripper from an older Xeon system but am put off by the cooling requirements (cpu, video, system) and how negative that will be on background noise.

washadjeffmad 6y ago
Threadripper with a be quiet! Dark Rock or Noctua cooler will run almost silently. With two GPUs, 8x DIMMs, and a X520-DA2, my home system pulls 380W under full load and is whisper quiet. That said, if you don't need very high core counts, the PCIe lanes, or the memory bandwidth, I'd build on Zen2 Ryzen instead.
- vetinari 6y ago
  > That said, if you don't need very high core counts, the PCIe lanes, or the memory bandwidth I'm on 1900X because it has the PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth, but do not need the cores. The bonus is, that the fewer cores are clocker higher, becuase they still have the same temperature budget as the higher models.
- wyclif 6y ago
  The YT link above to the L1 Techs build is like that. They wanted to optimize for quiet, so if you're like that too you should watch that video.

washadjeffmad 6y ago

Ryzen G series includes integrated graphics. There also aren't any major bugs for Zen/Zen 2/TR4 on Linux/BSD. Ironically, the largest stability issue with 1st/2nd gen Ryzen is caused by idling too efficiently. Older power supplies sense this sub-5W idle as being suspended or powered off and throttle their 12V rails, leading to system hangups. An option in BIOS must be set to raise the idle wattage for these PSUs. The demographic most affected by this, first time and budget builders, were also the least likely to be able to diagnose it, leading to its prevalence in forums. Search for "power supply idle control" to learn more about it.

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
This is clearly not true. There are serious problems with compatibility of integrated graphics in Ryzen and Linux. More or less reasonable support in Linux (and I am not even talking about FreeBSD, let alone other BSDs) appeared only very very recently, and it is still buggy, causes lockups, black screen boots etc. Not only that, Ryzen G series are not attractive at all because they are always underpowered and one generation behind; simply put, they suck. Speaking of Idle power consumption - there is evidence all over the internet, that Ryzens themselves are not neccerraly very power hungry, but their motherboard chipsets are. Here for example, Rx 3xxx consume 10W more at idle https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/power-idle.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/power-idle.... The reason is unclear, but it is what it is - they really hungrier.