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I think the "wide spectrum" part is really important. I'm on the far left by American standards and Rogan still has a lot of interviews that interest me even t

I think the "wide spectrum" part is really important. I'm on the far left by American standards and Rogan still has a lot of interviews that interest me even though I think he's more traditionally associated with conservative-ish or libertarian-ish views.

2019-nCoV 6y ago
Joe Rogan has self-claimed liberal views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctTmQn8w7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctTmQn8w7A
- leadingthenet 6y ago
  I hate the fact that Americans say “liberal” when they mean “left-wing”, or vice versa. Classical liberalism / neoliberalism are not left-wing ideologies. They are, at best, centre-right if the Overton window is set to Western standards. Edit: I love being downvoted because I care about the meaning of words. I clearly stepped on some American nerves. Thanks HN.
  - nl 6y ago
    Classical liberalism is basically the opposite of liberalism as it is mostly understood in the West today. Interestingly, you see this most in Australia, where the Centre/Right party is called the Liberal Party. But it hasn't been used like that since the 1970s really, except in the "Liberal Democracy" sense. I think that has actually caused a lot of issues where the US right says they don't support Liberal Democracy, whereas - generally speaking, with the exception of the authoritarian arm - they mostly do.
  - reedwolf 6y ago
    The meaning of words change over time. Always have and always will.
  - julesqs 6y ago
    I'm being downvoted too lol, politics on HN are so ridiculous.
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    people probably don't like this nitpick because the core meaning of "liberal" is relative, just like "left" and "right". "liberal"/"conservative" may have a different connotation than "left"/"right" depending on context, but they have roughly the same meaning. you always need to know (at least implicitly) what position is being compared against to know what "liberal" means.
    - leadingthenet 6y ago
      But that's exactly what I'm arguing against! The core meaning of liberal is not relative, it's a pretty well defined ideology (with multiple strands, to be sure, but still). The whole reason you think the meaning depends on the context is because you have been mislead to believe that liberal == left-wing, or something approaching that. This is completely and utterly false, hence my "nitpick". Changing the meaning of these words causes the exact type of confusion you seem to be suffering from! Left-wing is a term with a very loose definition, and depending on the Overton window, "liberal" places somewhere on the left/right axis. "Liberal", however, does have a well-defined meaning, since it refers to a specific ideology, unlike "the left". TLRD: "liberal" is not a direction on an axis, rather it's a point on an already existing axis, the left/right one.
- arcticfox 6y ago
  He's kind of all over the place, which is why I think he appeals to a lot of people (myself included). It's hard to put him in a box.
- julesqs 6y ago
  do you not remember when all of cancel police on twitter got mad at Bernie for accepting Rogan's endorsement in the primary? he can call himself whatever he wants that doesn't mean it's true. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-rogan-endorsement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-r... "Rogan, a libertarian-leaning broadcaster with a public persona in the mold of Howard Stern"

2019-nCoV 6y ago

Joe Rogan has self-claimed liberal views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctTmQn8w7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctTmQn8w7A

leadingthenet 6y ago
I hate the fact that Americans say “liberal” when they mean “left-wing”, or vice versa. Classical liberalism / neoliberalism are not left-wing ideologies. They are, at best, centre-right if the Overton window is set to Western standards. Edit: I love being downvoted because I care about the meaning of words. I clearly stepped on some American nerves. Thanks HN.
- nl 6y ago
  Classical liberalism is basically the opposite of liberalism as it is mostly understood in the West today. Interestingly, you see this most in Australia, where the Centre/Right party is called the Liberal Party. But it hasn't been used like that since the 1970s really, except in the "Liberal Democracy" sense. I think that has actually caused a lot of issues where the US right says they don't support Liberal Democracy, whereas - generally speaking, with the exception of the authoritarian arm - they mostly do.
- reedwolf 6y ago
  The meaning of words change over time. Always have and always will.
- julesqs 6y ago
  I'm being downvoted too lol, politics on HN are so ridiculous.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  people probably don't like this nitpick because the core meaning of "liberal" is relative, just like "left" and "right". "liberal"/"conservative" may have a different connotation than "left"/"right" depending on context, but they have roughly the same meaning. you always need to know (at least implicitly) what position is being compared against to know what "liberal" means.
  - leadingthenet 6y ago
    But that's exactly what I'm arguing against! The core meaning of liberal is not relative, it's a pretty well defined ideology (with multiple strands, to be sure, but still). The whole reason you think the meaning depends on the context is because you have been mislead to believe that liberal == left-wing, or something approaching that. This is completely and utterly false, hence my "nitpick". Changing the meaning of these words causes the exact type of confusion you seem to be suffering from! Left-wing is a term with a very loose definition, and depending on the Overton window, "liberal" places somewhere on the left/right axis. "Liberal", however, does have a well-defined meaning, since it refers to a specific ideology, unlike "the left". TLRD: "liberal" is not a direction on an axis, rather it's a point on an already existing axis, the left/right one.
arcticfox 6y ago
He's kind of all over the place, which is why I think he appeals to a lot of people (myself included). It's hard to put him in a box.
julesqs 6y ago
do you not remember when all of cancel police on twitter got mad at Bernie for accepting Rogan's endorsement in the primary? he can call himself whatever he wants that doesn't mean it's true. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-rogan-endorsement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-r... "Rogan, a libertarian-leaning broadcaster with a public persona in the mold of Howard Stern"