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With all due respect, the article brought up the political ideology. I would not have made any comments if the author did not include feminism, both in definiti

With all due respect, the article brought up the political ideology. I would not have made any comments if the author did not include feminism, both in definition and in links to geekfeminism. -https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Microaggressions https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Microaggressions -https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat -https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Reducing_male_bias_in_hiring https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Reducing_male_bias_in_hi... >...it's also against the guidelines and guarantees further downvotes and flags. I have earnt 750 karma almost entirely in productive comments, I know the rules. I have done this before and gotten productive replies. You can't allow politics in the written articles and then complain you get political replies. Just admit you chose sides and I'll leave voluntarily.

dang 6y ago
I'll take your point about the article (I haven't looked), but it's a matter of degree. Your comment took the thread further into ideological battle. That's what we care about—i.e. that's what we care about not happening here. You're right that some articles on HN have political overlap, but it doesn't follow that all political comments are equally ok on HN. That's a non sequitur. I've written about this many times: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20political%20overlap&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... If you take a look at those past explanations and still have a question that isn't answered there, I'd like to know what it is, because my intention is eventually to compile these explanations into a moderation FAQ. Some good threads to start with might be https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902396 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902396. Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869, if you think HN has gotten more political lately. > Just admit you chose sides and I'll leave voluntarily. No, that's not what's happening. It always feels like the mods are against you. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20always%20feels%20mods&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... The other side feels the same: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19194629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19194629 ("The right-wing bias of HN moderators is readily apparent, as usual.") https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hn_check https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hn_check ("HN is a cesspool of anti-intellectual MAGA blowhards. dang is their king and ringleader.") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22706608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22706608 ("Furthermore, the moderators definitely have a personal libertarian bent that regularly seeps into selective moderation. I routinely see someone declare an interesting political assertion and then any replies to it that disagree with the principle are shut down as being political, but the parent post is ignored.") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23280156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23280156 ("You can't criticize capitalism on HN and expect to get upvoted.") There are many more links where those came from, but I try to contain myself. Why do the opposing sides each think HN is strongly biased in favor of the other side? They can't both be right, and the odds that only one is right are also basically zero, since the comments are so interchangeable—if you flip the ideological bit, you can't tell them apart. Since the site is the same for everybody, this is clearly some kind of cognitive bias. I believe that it's that we're primed to notice the things we dislike and disagree with, and we weight those much more heavily (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). That would explain not only the direction in which people perceive bias (they always perceive it as going against their side) but also the intensity (people perceive the degree of bias in proportion to the intensity of their own ideological commitment). Again, if you have a question that I haven't answered, take a look at those past explanations and if you still feel that way, please let me know what the question is.

dang 6y ago

I'll take your point about the article (I haven't looked), but it's a matter of degree. Your comment took the thread further into ideological battle. That's what we care about—i.e. that's what we care about not happening here. You're right that some articles on HN have political overlap, but it doesn't follow that all political comments are equally ok on HN. That's a non sequitur. I've written about this many times: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20political%20overlap&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... If you take a look at those past explanations and still have a question that isn't answered there, I'd like to know what it is, because my intention is eventually to compile these explanations into a moderation FAQ. Some good threads to start with might be https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902396 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902396. Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869, if you think HN has gotten more political lately. > Just admit you chose sides and I'll leave voluntarily. No, that's not what's happening. It always feels like the mods are against you. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20always%20feels%20mods&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... The other side feels the same: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19194629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19194629 ("The right-wing bias of HN moderators is readily apparent, as usual.") https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hn_check https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hn_check ("HN is a cesspool of anti-intellectual MAGA blowhards. dang is their king and ringleader.") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22706608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22706608 ("Furthermore, the moderators definitely have a personal libertarian bent that regularly seeps into selective moderation. I routinely see someone declare an interesting political assertion and then any replies to it that disagree with the principle are shut down as being political, but the parent post is ignored.") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23280156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23280156 ("You can't criticize capitalism on HN and expect to get upvoted.") There are many more links where those came from, but I try to contain myself. Why do the opposing sides each think HN is strongly biased in favor of the other side? They can't both be right, and the odds that only one is right are also basically zero, since the comments are so interchangeable—if you flip the ideological bit, you can't tell them apart. Since the site is the same for everybody, this is clearly some kind of cognitive bias. I believe that it's that we're primed to notice the things we dislike and disagree with, and we weight those much more heavily (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). That would explain not only the direction in which people perceive bias (they always perceive it as going against their side) but also the intensity (people perceive the degree of bias in proportion to the intensity of their own ideological commitment). Again, if you have a question that I haven't answered, take a look at those past explanations and if you still feel that way, please let me know what the question is.