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I have some bad news for you. None of us will ever find out what you watched on Netflix. Netflix won’t share that data with anyone, nor will anyone serve Netfli

I have some bad news for you. None of us will ever find out what you watched on Netflix. Netflix won’t share that data with anyone, nor will anyone serve Netflix a warrant to find out what. But any peer on the torrent you downloaded knows your IP address. Content holders often do this, they monitor the IP addresses that download their shows and send the user a letter via their ISP to cease and desist.

wojciii 6y ago
Enter VPN. Trivial to setup after some research.
Sevaris 6y ago
There are other options than torrenting.
throwaway888abc 6y ago
Till when ? Because now they don't have (?) model to profit from it ? All streaming platforms are grabbing all remote control presses thoroughly. That's data first approach. Ask your favorite SMART TV too.
mindfulhack 6y ago
> Netflix won’t share that data with anyone You think I'm only talking about Netflix? What about the data giant Spotify? https://libraryfreedom.chat/t/extraordinary-amount-of-telemetry-data-collected-by-spotify/91 https://libraryfreedom.chat/t/extraordinary-amount-of-teleme... And as for the one company you mention, Netflix, here's some info which simply proves your claim wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/2uffl9/how_much_data_does_netflix_sell_to_thirdparty/ https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/2uffl9/how_much_da... https://help.netflix.com/legal/privacy https://help.netflix.com/legal/privacy
Beldin 6y ago
> I have some bad news for you. None of us will ever find out ... Ever heard of Max Schrems? He did exactly this (use GDPR to obtain his records) for Facebook. Not sure why you think Netflix would never go through the same hullabaloo - they operate in the EU as well.
einpoklum 6y ago
> Netflix won’t share that data with anyone They'll share their data with the NSA when they come knocking, just like all the other large corporations. In fact, they probably already _are_ sharing it.
- karatestomp 6y ago
  Judging from the stuff in the Afghanistan Papers link posted in a thread here the other day, there's already a huge group of major US(?) companies freely sharing intel with US intelligence agencies—the implication, in context, was that they'd either opened up access to some portion of their data on users/citizens for intel agencies to dig through whenever they want, or that they're actively looking for certain kinds of info then passing that along, not just that they respond to warrants—and that's considered common-enough knowledge that its existence wasn't redacted. Dunno who's included but I doubt none of the big tech companies are.
  - thejynxed 6y ago
    Yeah, because to get around pesky things like needing warrants signed by a judge they simply sign contracts with these companies who provide them with tons of info for a hefty fee. See: The C.I.A. and their fat ten year contract with WaPo.
kelnos 6y ago
Do people actually still torrent without using a VPN? That seems... unwise.
- yurishimo 6y ago
  Kids usually. I know I didn't have money to buy a VPN when I was in high school, but I wasn't going to let that stop me from watching the entire backlog of anime my friends were enjoying at the time. Luckily, that was a bit before the letter's started going out with more consistency.
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  I do. But I never heard about anyone going after torrent downloaders in my country. Can switch to VPN if necessary.
- benibela 6y ago
  If you pay for a VPN, you could just as well pay for the official streaming service
  - bavell 6y ago
    Way cheaper to pay for single VPN service vs every streaming service out there (plus new ones every month)
    - jeromegv 6y ago
      True, much cheaper to steal than paying creators.
- parliament32 6y ago
  There's only one country in the world where copyright is enforced against end-users.
im3w1l 6y ago
Here's the threat model. A president of the united states calls up his friend in Netflix "Hey can I get a list of all my enemies in my admin, in congress, in courts and the military". Said friend says "sure thing I'll just run some sql queries for who watched movie x, y, z and hand you the results". Now said president discovers that a few people he considered trustworthy seem to be secretly having qualms about his increasing powergrabs. He manufactures a few roadblocks in their careers and within a year and a half they have all been cleaned out. With them gone he is able to go ever further and more brazen. One day he proclaims himself dictator, and all branches cheer and celebrate.
bavell 6y ago
Wait, you mean to tell me that all those BitTorrent peers are now aware of my VPN IP address?? I should let my VPN provider know so that they can forward the DMCA complaints to me...
catalogia 6y ago
You're fearmongering. I've been torrenting for the better part of 20 years and still haven't received one of these nastygrams.
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wojciii 6y ago

Enter VPN. Trivial to setup after some research.

Sevaris 6y ago

There are other options than torrenting.

throwaway888abc 6y ago

Till when ? Because now they don't have (?) model to profit from it ? All streaming platforms are grabbing all remote control presses thoroughly. That's data first approach. Ask your favorite SMART TV too.

mindfulhack 6y ago

> Netflix won’t share that data with anyone You think I'm only talking about Netflix? What about the data giant Spotify? https://libraryfreedom.chat/t/extraordinary-amount-of-telemetry-data-collected-by-spotify/91 https://libraryfreedom.chat/t/extraordinary-amount-of-teleme... And as for the one company you mention, Netflix, here's some info which simply proves your claim wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/2uffl9/how_much_data_does_netflix_sell_to_thirdparty/ https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/2uffl9/how_much_da... https://help.netflix.com/legal/privacy https://help.netflix.com/legal/privacy

Beldin 6y ago

> I have some bad news for you. None of us will ever find out ... Ever heard of Max Schrems? He did exactly this (use GDPR to obtain his records) for Facebook. Not sure why you think Netflix would never go through the same hullabaloo - they operate in the EU as well.

einpoklum 6y ago

> Netflix won’t share that data with anyone They'll share their data with the NSA when they come knocking, just like all the other large corporations. In fact, they probably already _are_ sharing it.

karatestomp 6y ago
Judging from the stuff in the Afghanistan Papers link posted in a thread here the other day, there's already a huge group of major US(?) companies freely sharing intel with US intelligence agencies—the implication, in context, was that they'd either opened up access to some portion of their data on users/citizens for intel agencies to dig through whenever they want, or that they're actively looking for certain kinds of info then passing that along, not just that they respond to warrants—and that's considered common-enough knowledge that its existence wasn't redacted. Dunno who's included but I doubt none of the big tech companies are.
- thejynxed 6y ago
  Yeah, because to get around pesky things like needing warrants signed by a judge they simply sign contracts with these companies who provide them with tons of info for a hefty fee. See: The C.I.A. and their fat ten year contract with WaPo.

kelnos 6y ago

Do people actually still torrent without using a VPN? That seems... unwise.

yurishimo 6y ago
Kids usually. I know I didn't have money to buy a VPN when I was in high school, but I wasn't going to let that stop me from watching the entire backlog of anime my friends were enjoying at the time. Luckily, that was a bit before the letter's started going out with more consistency.
vbezhenar 6y ago
I do. But I never heard about anyone going after torrent downloaders in my country. Can switch to VPN if necessary.
benibela 6y ago
If you pay for a VPN, you could just as well pay for the official streaming service
- bavell 6y ago
  Way cheaper to pay for single VPN service vs every streaming service out there (plus new ones every month)
  - jeromegv 6y ago
    True, much cheaper to steal than paying creators.
parliament32 6y ago
There's only one country in the world where copyright is enforced against end-users.

im3w1l 6y ago

Here's the threat model. A president of the united states calls up his friend in Netflix "Hey can I get a list of all my enemies in my admin, in congress, in courts and the military". Said friend says "sure thing I'll just run some sql queries for who watched movie x, y, z and hand you the results". Now said president discovers that a few people he considered trustworthy seem to be secretly having qualms about his increasing powergrabs. He manufactures a few roadblocks in their careers and within a year and a half they have all been cleaned out. With them gone he is able to go ever further and more brazen. One day he proclaims himself dictator, and all branches cheer and celebrate.

bavell 6y ago

Wait, you mean to tell me that all those BitTorrent peers are now aware of my VPN IP address?? I should let my VPN provider know so that they can forward the DMCA complaints to me...

catalogia 6y ago

You're fearmongering. I've been torrenting for the better part of 20 years and still haven't received one of these nastygrams.

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