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The people who scream at me in a schizophrenic drug addled haze aren’t going to go away because cheap 1br housing pops up in an affordable neighborhood. They do

The people who scream at me in a schizophrenic drug addled haze aren’t going to go away because cheap 1br housing pops up in an affordable neighborhood. They do need help though. They need homeless institutions.

DoreenMichele 6y ago
I spent nearly six years homeless and I have had a college class from SFSU on Homelessness and Public Policy. There are mentally ill people in housing. They don't generally follow you down the street and scream at you when they have housing. Being homeless is enormously stressful. It is itself crazy-making. Lack of sufficient housing supply is a root cause of high housing prices and of homelessness. California has been under building for decades.
- shuckles 6y ago
  Counterpoint: SROs are the most common location of overdoses in the city of San Francisco. Mentally ill people in housing probably don’t bother you, but that doesn’t mean they are safe and healthy.
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    When you find the planet that has solved all personal problems, let me know. In the meantime, I will keep harping on best practices for this planet as I best understand them.
    - shuckles 6y ago
      Residential housing costs $750k to build per unit in California, and most of those costs are unique to the process of developing infill in NIMBY cities with high costs of labor. We are two orders of magnitudes away from enough funding to solve homelessness with residential housing in San Francisco for the existing population, notwithstanding induced demand. Treatment outside of city centers for people dealing with mental health and substance abuse issues could be built far more affordably elsewhere by saving on the land and labor costs. They’d also be cheaper to operate. More generally, your comments come across and smug and sanctimonious — everyone has an interest in solving the problem, and falling back to “homelessness is a housing problem” amounts to tautology which is not particularly insightful.

DoreenMichele 6y ago

I spent nearly six years homeless and I have had a college class from SFSU on Homelessness and Public Policy. There are mentally ill people in housing. They don't generally follow you down the street and scream at you when they have housing. Being homeless is enormously stressful. It is itself crazy-making. Lack of sufficient housing supply is a root cause of high housing prices and of homelessness. California has been under building for decades.

shuckles 6y ago
Counterpoint: SROs are the most common location of overdoses in the city of San Francisco. Mentally ill people in housing probably don’t bother you, but that doesn’t mean they are safe and healthy.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  When you find the planet that has solved all personal problems, let me know. In the meantime, I will keep harping on best practices for this planet as I best understand them.
  - shuckles 6y ago
    Residential housing costs $750k to build per unit in California, and most of those costs are unique to the process of developing infill in NIMBY cities with high costs of labor. We are two orders of magnitudes away from enough funding to solve homelessness with residential housing in San Francisco for the existing population, notwithstanding induced demand. Treatment outside of city centers for people dealing with mental health and substance abuse issues could be built far more affordably elsewhere by saving on the land and labor costs. They’d also be cheaper to operate. More generally, your comments come across and smug and sanctimonious — everyone has an interest in solving the problem, and falling back to “homelessness is a housing problem” amounts to tautology which is not particularly insightful.