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I really dislike the way the discussion around this has been framed. It seems to have centered around two polar extremes. On on end you have the idea that we

I really dislike the way the discussion around this has been framed. It seems to have centered around two polar extremes. On on end you have the idea that we should stay in "lockdown" until there is a cure or vaccine. On the other end you've got the "it's just the flu" crowd who doesn't want any public life restrictions while also nay saying zero cost things like masks that greatly reduce risk. Neither of those positions seems reasonable. Where are the reasonable leaders that recognize that it isn't practical to to have a "lockdown" waiting for a vaccine that is going to take a year in the most optimistic case while at the same time recognizing that promoting small inexpensive behavior changes that keep this in check and reduce risk while that plays out is the way to prevent the need for more draconian measures. I also think the idea that taking any precaution even minor some how means you are "afraid". Total nonsense.

lma22 6y ago
>. Where are the reasonable leaders that recognize that it isn't practical to to have a "lockdown" waiting for a vaccine that is going to take a year in the most optimistic case while at the same time recognizing that promoting small inexpensive behavior changes that keep this in check and reduce risk while that plays out is the way to prevent the need for more draconian measures. They're all over. Most US states are starting to open via "stage 1". Stage 1 includes multiple precautions.
- pmorici 6y ago
  Very much felt like a lot of them got browbeat into it or those that wanted to down played the need for continued caution.
ghthor 6y ago
Masks are not zero cost, they are emotionally and physically taxing. I not wearing a mask if I'm not sick.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  Masks are nasty and I hate them. Most people using them have no idea how to use them and seem to think wearing a mask is sort of like wearing your +2 Item Of Immunity from The Game Of Covid19 and you don't need to do anything differently. They just magically help, no matter how much stupid stuff you do. My son said he saw someone wiping down a shopping cart with a wipe. It fell on the floor and and they picked it back up and kept wiping down the cart with it. This is not unlike how many people relate to their masks.
  - pmorici 6y ago
    "It fell on the floor and and they picked it back up and kept wiping down the cart with it." Why do you think this a problem? If it is a disinfectant wipe it doesn't matter it just made the floor a little cleaner.
- pmorici 6y ago
  This comment fascinating because it sounds like something that would come from someone who is a weak snowflake but your linked profile indicates you are a fan of the president who goes out of his way to project strength in everything he does.
  - ghthor 6y ago
    I'm neither weak nor strong, I'm just stating my opinion that I don't feel the need to wear a wear a mask to improve how I protect society by 1% more, I'm already at 99%(IMO), that 1% is more expensive then I'm willing to make.
chimprich 6y ago
> On on end you have the idea that we should stay in "lockdown" until there is a cure or vaccine. Is anyone saying that? Although I've heard plenty of "it's just a flu!!!" comments, I don't think I've seen anyone claim that permanent lockdown is a viable strategy. I don't believe any country is pursuing an indefinite "until further notice" lockdown policy, although "lockdown" means different things to different people. Most European countries seem to have accepted that long-term social distancing measures are required, whilst trying to open up as much as possible. > a vaccine that is going to take a year in the most optimistic case The UK government is hoping for a vaccine in September. This may not be likely, but it seems to be possible.

lma22 6y ago

>. Where are the reasonable leaders that recognize that it isn't practical to to have a "lockdown" waiting for a vaccine that is going to take a year in the most optimistic case while at the same time recognizing that promoting small inexpensive behavior changes that keep this in check and reduce risk while that plays out is the way to prevent the need for more draconian measures. They're all over. Most US states are starting to open via "stage 1". Stage 1 includes multiple precautions.

pmorici 6y ago
Very much felt like a lot of them got browbeat into it or those that wanted to down played the need for continued caution.

ghthor 6y ago

Masks are not zero cost, they are emotionally and physically taxing. I not wearing a mask if I'm not sick.

DoreenMichele 6y ago
Masks are nasty and I hate them. Most people using them have no idea how to use them and seem to think wearing a mask is sort of like wearing your +2 Item Of Immunity from The Game Of Covid19 and you don't need to do anything differently. They just magically help, no matter how much stupid stuff you do. My son said he saw someone wiping down a shopping cart with a wipe. It fell on the floor and and they picked it back up and kept wiping down the cart with it. This is not unlike how many people relate to their masks.
- pmorici 6y ago
  "It fell on the floor and and they picked it back up and kept wiping down the cart with it." Why do you think this a problem? If it is a disinfectant wipe it doesn't matter it just made the floor a little cleaner.
pmorici 6y ago
This comment fascinating because it sounds like something that would come from someone who is a weak snowflake but your linked profile indicates you are a fan of the president who goes out of his way to project strength in everything he does.
- ghthor 6y ago
  I'm neither weak nor strong, I'm just stating my opinion that I don't feel the need to wear a wear a mask to improve how I protect society by 1% more, I'm already at 99%(IMO), that 1% is more expensive then I'm willing to make.

chimprich 6y ago

> On on end you have the idea that we should stay in "lockdown" until there is a cure or vaccine. Is anyone saying that? Although I've heard plenty of "it's just a flu!!!" comments, I don't think I've seen anyone claim that permanent lockdown is a viable strategy. I don't believe any country is pursuing an indefinite "until further notice" lockdown policy, although "lockdown" means different things to different people. Most European countries seem to have accepted that long-term social distancing measures are required, whilst trying to open up as much as possible. > a vaccine that is going to take a year in the most optimistic case The UK government is hoping for a vaccine in September. This may not be likely, but it seems to be possible.