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yes, opt-out other than for a metal detector. but no, shun pre-check, another form of surveillance-conditioning.

flatiron 6y ago
Can you expand on that? I got precheck and was pretty happy with the process. They genuinely seemed to be making sure i wasn’t up to something strange before granting me the status.
- dkdk8283 6y ago
  You give up biometrics and background information. The interview is designed to be intimidating.
  - User23 6y ago
    That wasn't my experience. I sat in a waiting area for about 5 minutes, then I sat down at a desk with an "interviewer" who pulled up a screen with the information I'd already entered when I applied. She asked me if it was true, I said yes, and then she said there'd be a background check and I'd get the result in a bit. It was less intrusive than a credit application.
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- clairity 6y ago
  exactly. it conditioned you to accept that submitting to and answering a bunch of invasive questions is totally acceptable, even happiness-inducing, in exchange for "safety", where safety is actually systemically guaranteed simply because very, very few are malevolent enough to attempt mass murder, or even just one murder. it plays on mental biases that more easily extrapolate imminent and colossal danger from rare incidents than vice versa. sure, the invasiveness seems minor on an individual scale, but it's massive on a population one. power is more easily amassed in little morsels across grand scales than taken by force in large chunks.
vkou 6y ago
Pre-check isn't surveillance conditioning, it's just a cynical cash grab, where you pay to solve a problem that the person you are paying is forcing onto you.
- clairity 6y ago
  that's true too, but it's not either-or, it's both.
- dawnerd 6y ago
  It's included with Global Entry which is a HUGE time saver. Don't hate on it just because you have to pay. I have my disagreements with TSA like everyone but my time is valuable and if it costs 110ish bucks for four years that's more than worth it to me.

Can you expand on that? I got precheck and was pretty happy with the process. They genuinely seemed to be making sure i wasn’t up to something strange before granting me the status.

dkdk8283 6y ago
You give up biometrics and background information. The interview is designed to be intimidating.
- User23 6y ago
  That wasn't my experience. I sat in a waiting area for about 5 minutes, then I sat down at a desk with an "interviewer" who pulled up a screen with the information I'd already entered when I applied. She asked me if it was true, I said yes, and then she said there'd be a background check and I'd get the result in a bit. It was less intrusive than a credit application.
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clairity 6y ago
exactly. it conditioned you to accept that submitting to and answering a bunch of invasive questions is totally acceptable, even happiness-inducing, in exchange for "safety", where safety is actually systemically guaranteed simply because very, very few are malevolent enough to attempt mass murder, or even just one murder. it plays on mental biases that more easily extrapolate imminent and colossal danger from rare incidents than vice versa. sure, the invasiveness seems minor on an individual scale, but it's massive on a population one. power is more easily amassed in little morsels across grand scales than taken by force in large chunks.

vkou 6y ago

Pre-check isn't surveillance conditioning, it's just a cynical cash grab, where you pay to solve a problem that the person you are paying is forcing onto you.

clairity 6y ago
that's true too, but it's not either-or, it's both.
dawnerd 6y ago
It's included with Global Entry which is a HUGE time saver. Don't hate on it just because you have to pay. I have my disagreements with TSA like everyone but my time is valuable and if it costs 110ish bucks for four years that's more than worth it to me.