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The only thing that matters is who determines what a “jerk” is. The same behavior may be excused in one person and condemned in another. It’s one thing to writ

The only thing that matters is who determines what a “jerk” is. The same behavior may be excused in one person and condemned in another. It’s one thing to write this, but quite another to actually rein in a CEO with a ton of clout and success at their back (Adam Neumann 2020 is not the same as Adam Neumann 2018). Hand waving “oh well you have to curate the culture” isn’t enough.

luckylion 6y ago
Unrelated to the content of the comment, but since this comment was immediately dead (saw it at "0 minutes ago"): what's with the new moderation technique of just marking comments of some users as dead from the moment they post? I've seen this more and more recently. Is that a new approach to shadow banning? Is that automatically applied when multiple comments are flagged by some amount of people? Are the affected users aware, or is that hidden from them while they're logged in?
- dabbledash 6y ago
  Are you talking about draw_down’s comment? Doesn’t look dead to me.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Argh, I should've mentioned that of course, sorry. It was dead before I vouched for it.
- DanBC 6y ago
  > what's with the new moderation technique of just marking comments of some users as dead from the moment they post? That's not new, and most of those people have been told that they were banned. People can vouch for individual comments (click the timestamp, click the vouch link) to undead them. If you think a person is being unfairly moderated I guess you can email the mods to let them know. dang has spoken about shaddowbanning here (and lots of other posts too) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23253674 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23253674
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Thanks, it appears to be the autokilling then and I must have just noticed it more in the past few days. It seemed weird because there's so much that I consider normal/harmless (and where much worse is left alive), but the authors may of course have posted more problematic comments in the past that lead to the flags.

luckylion 6y ago

Unrelated to the content of the comment, but since this comment was immediately dead (saw it at "0 minutes ago"): what's with the new moderation technique of just marking comments of some users as dead from the moment they post? I've seen this more and more recently. Is that a new approach to shadow banning? Is that automatically applied when multiple comments are flagged by some amount of people? Are the affected users aware, or is that hidden from them while they're logged in?

dabbledash 6y ago
Are you talking about draw_down’s comment? Doesn’t look dead to me.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Argh, I should've mentioned that of course, sorry. It was dead before I vouched for it.
DanBC 6y ago
> what's with the new moderation technique of just marking comments of some users as dead from the moment they post? That's not new, and most of those people have been told that they were banned. People can vouch for individual comments (click the timestamp, click the vouch link) to undead them. If you think a person is being unfairly moderated I guess you can email the mods to let them know. dang has spoken about shaddowbanning here (and lots of other posts too) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23253674 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23253674
- luckylion 6y ago
  Thanks, it appears to be the autokilling then and I must have just noticed it more in the past few days. It seemed weird because there's so much that I consider normal/harmless (and where much worse is left alive), but the authors may of course have posted more problematic comments in the past that lead to the flags.