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Sleep has been working on my last ~10 laptops and desktops, it's a non-issue at this point unless you have brand new exotic hardware. I did have a motherboard i

Sleep has been working on my last ~10 laptops and desktops, it's a non-issue at this point unless you have brand new exotic hardware. I did have a motherboard issue on a first-gen Ryzen that required a bios update to get it working. hi-dpi works very nicely if you use GTK or Qt. For the other apps, it really depends how they are implemented. For me it has been working better than Windows. These are strawman agruments. Give Ubuntu 20.04 a try an you'll see stuff pretty much just works on any common hardware. You can even use slackware and get everything working with a bit of fiddling. MacOS is a very nice OS but it isn't FOSS and it isn't more capable at this point, it's just a personal preference. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

moe 6y ago
> you'll see stuff pretty much just works The problem is the "pretty much" part. We all know what that means in practice. That's why OSX is popular.
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  I switched my AI workstation to Ubuntu 20 last week, and the experience was fast and great. I can now run docker containers with cuda, use PyCharm to coordinate everything and have code completion as if the code was local, even if it's executing on a docker worker node in our data center. 200% scaling on my 4K screen looks great, wifi, network, sleep, gpu all worked out of the box. And the IDE behaves exactly like on OS X. The only thing I disliked was the default Ubuntu color scheme, but that was easy enough to change.
- happymellon 6y ago
  Then you cannot possibly have used MacOS. There is plenty of flakey edges, that actually don't work very well. Fucking multiple desktop shit. My MacBook Pro can't even remember the order of my monitors when it goes to sleep, or between reboots. Even Linux can do that.
- bwat49 6y ago
  OSX can only guarantee that everything works because apple controls both the hardware and software. Windows can only guarantee that everything works because they have a monopoly and therefore hardware vendors have to support windows. Most laptops don't ship with linux/are never tested with linux, so it's never going to work flawlessly on all possible hardware configurations. It's just not possible. It does however, 'pretty much' work on most hardware. And if you buy a machine from a vendor that actually supports/pre-installs/tests linux, all of the hardware will work out of the box.
  - runjake 6y ago
    It's that "pretty much" that's the debate. I recently switched from macOS to Ubuntu 19.10 and then 20.04 as my daily driver and it's way flakier and has far more random app crashes than macOS. That said, the system is fast, the UX is way further along than I expected -- in some ways it's got a better UX than macOS. It's way, way faster at nearly everything.
    - bwat49 6y ago
      my point is that if you want to do better than 'pretty much', you should buy a machine from an OEM that actually supports linux If you're installing it on a random windows laptop, you're never going to get better than 'pretty much', because the OEM doesn't support linux or test their hardware with linux.
happymellon 6y ago
Sway does HiDpi nicely as well, so you don't even have to use the Gnome/KDE pair.

moe 6y ago

> you'll see stuff pretty much just works The problem is the "pretty much" part. We all know what that means in practice. That's why OSX is popular.

fxtentacle 6y ago
I switched my AI workstation to Ubuntu 20 last week, and the experience was fast and great. I can now run docker containers with cuda, use PyCharm to coordinate everything and have code completion as if the code was local, even if it's executing on a docker worker node in our data center. 200% scaling on my 4K screen looks great, wifi, network, sleep, gpu all worked out of the box. And the IDE behaves exactly like on OS X. The only thing I disliked was the default Ubuntu color scheme, but that was easy enough to change.
happymellon 6y ago
Then you cannot possibly have used MacOS. There is plenty of flakey edges, that actually don't work very well. Fucking multiple desktop shit. My MacBook Pro can't even remember the order of my monitors when it goes to sleep, or between reboots. Even Linux can do that.
bwat49 6y ago
OSX can only guarantee that everything works because apple controls both the hardware and software. Windows can only guarantee that everything works because they have a monopoly and therefore hardware vendors have to support windows. Most laptops don't ship with linux/are never tested with linux, so it's never going to work flawlessly on all possible hardware configurations. It's just not possible. It does however, 'pretty much' work on most hardware. And if you buy a machine from a vendor that actually supports/pre-installs/tests linux, all of the hardware will work out of the box.
- runjake 6y ago
  It's that "pretty much" that's the debate. I recently switched from macOS to Ubuntu 19.10 and then 20.04 as my daily driver and it's way flakier and has far more random app crashes than macOS. That said, the system is fast, the UX is way further along than I expected -- in some ways it's got a better UX than macOS. It's way, way faster at nearly everything.
  - bwat49 6y ago
    my point is that if you want to do better than 'pretty much', you should buy a machine from an OEM that actually supports linux If you're installing it on a random windows laptop, you're never going to get better than 'pretty much', because the OEM doesn't support linux or test their hardware with linux.

happymellon 6y ago

Sway does HiDpi nicely as well, so you don't even have to use the Gnome/KDE pair.