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> phone software that needs to be secure and so would attempt to detect jailbreaks Ah, yes, the same kind of software that forbids pasting passwords, because,

> phone software that needs to be secure and so would attempt to detect jailbreaks Ah, yes, the same kind of software that forbids pasting passwords, because, security. Although, to be fair, I must admit, the comparison is not entirely accurate. It is true that it makes some sense. I don't know about iOS jailbreaks, but on Android an application may request superuser privileges. Given that a significant fraction of users do tend to grant arbitrary permissions to see the flying pigs (numerous Android flashlight apps are a good example), I can see how this could be a problem. I believe I've heard of malware that does this. That's why my latest Android phones haven't had user-facing root access or Xposed. The idea was that there was nothing installable/programmable (that I could grant by fat-fingering or someone could borrow/steal my phone and exploit the elevated capabilities) - just a custom-built firmware with everything I needed. I haven't yet felt a particular necessity to jailbreak my iPhone (although apps get worse every year so I may eventually consider it), so no experience in that regard.

lucb1e 6y ago
> a significant fraction of users do tend to grant arbitrary permissions [...] That's why my latest Android phones haven't had user-facing root access or Xposed Wait, you're worried you'll give something root without noticing? I can understand if you're worried about your mom doing that if you rooted her phone, but yourself? (About rooting one's mom's phone, anecdotally I wish I had done that. She keeps getting notifications from Sony, the manufacturer, and things are just not customizable to suit her. When my grandma got a new smartphone a bit more recently, I rooted hers and then just set the supersu default to deny so she'd never get the prompt, and she's much happier with her phone. I've been considering rooting my mom's but the device wipe is such a pain, especially since you can't do app data backups without root (another reason to root: make actual backups). Android really needs an Apple iTunes-like backup system.)
- drdaeman 6y ago
  Not without noticing, but accidentally fat-fingering the “allow” button. TBH, I just didn’t need root access “on the go” - so, when I’ve decided I wanted to build my own image, I just haven’t found a reason/use case to include it. I had the full flash backups, an adblocker, a patch for clipboard read permission and a few UI customizations. And ability to add more stuff. That was all I needed. A shame I had no control over bootloader and wasn’t able to truly lock down the device to my own signing keys.

lucb1e 6y ago

> a significant fraction of users do tend to grant arbitrary permissions [...] That's why my latest Android phones haven't had user-facing root access or Xposed Wait, you're worried you'll give something root without noticing? I can understand if you're worried about your mom doing that if you rooted her phone, but yourself? (About rooting one's mom's phone, anecdotally I wish I had done that. She keeps getting notifications from Sony, the manufacturer, and things are just not customizable to suit her. When my grandma got a new smartphone a bit more recently, I rooted hers and then just set the supersu default to deny so she'd never get the prompt, and she's much happier with her phone. I've been considering rooting my mom's but the device wipe is such a pain, especially since you can't do app data backups without root (another reason to root: make actual backups). Android really needs an Apple iTunes-like backup system.)

drdaeman 6y ago
Not without noticing, but accidentally fat-fingering the “allow” button. TBH, I just didn’t need root access “on the go” - so, when I’ve decided I wanted to build my own image, I just haven’t found a reason/use case to include it. I had the full flash backups, an adblocker, a patch for clipboard read permission and a few UI customizations. And ability to add more stuff. That was all I needed. A shame I had no control over bootloader and wasn’t able to truly lock down the device to my own signing keys.