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I’ve had an iPad that’s been locked for at least a year (forgot pin) and I don’t have a computer that runs iTunes to plug it in to and unlock it. Would this get

by _eht 6y ago

I’ve had an iPad that’s been locked for at least a year (forgot pin) and I don’t have a computer that runs iTunes to plug it in to and unlock it. Would this get past that?

ValentineC 6y ago
> I’ve had an iPad that’s been locked for at least a year (forgot pin) and I don’t have a computer that runs iTunes to plug it in to and unlock it. If you have the proof of purchase, an Apple Store should be able to unlock it for you.
- _eht 6y ago
  I’m 7hrs away from a apple store... pretty remote, but do have proof of purchase. I’ll take that as a no? Someday I’ll have a usable iPad again.
  - MaxLeiter 6y ago
    I had to get a laptop fixed and Apple shipped me a box. 10 days later (and this was a few weeks ago during height of Covid lockdown in US) I got it back. I recommend looking into something like that.
- choward 6y ago
  Are you serious? People are okay with this? What's the point of encryption if Apple can unlock it? If the same thing happens on an encrypted computer you won't be able to access the data, but at least the device isn't bricked.
  - ggreer 6y ago
    You misunderstand. Apple can erase the device and let a new user set it up from scratch, but they can't read the data off it. The feature is called Activation Lock and it exists to discourage theft.
    - choward 6y ago
      Thanks for clarifying. The only part missing is being able to do this yourself instead of having to involve a third party.
      - ornornor 6y ago
        Kinda nullifies the whole “deter theft” thing then.
        choward 6y ago
        I'm not sure what "the whole 'deter theft'" thing is but 'deter theft' sounds like a marketing gimmick to me. You give some corporation your keys to hold for you because you can't trust yourself. Why can't you unlock your own damn phone?
        ornornor 6y ago
        So that a stolen phone is useless? That’s a pretty big deterrent. And you still hold the private key, from what parent said having the store unlock the phone means that it will be factory reset so they still can’t access the data on the phone.
        varenc 6y ago
        If you want to get into the specifics...neither Apple nor the user holds the real private key. The key needed to decrypt the phone contents is generated and stored in the Secure Enclave, a separate piece of hardware+firmware on the phone. When the user providers their password/pin, the Secure Enclave checks to make sure it's correct and then it will decrypt the phone contents and make them available but the actual decryption key never leaves the secure enclave and isn't accessible by the main OS.
        ggreer 6y ago
        That's not what is happening. Please look some of this stuff up before assuming the worst. Apple does not have the ability to decrypt the device, nor do users depend on Apple to unlock the device. Users can choose to enable Activation Lock, which means that only the owner or Apple can allow someone else to erase the device and set it up from scratch. Users can disable Activation Lock at any time. The only time that users can't disable it is if they forget their iCloud credentials. That's when they have to go to an Apple store and prove that they own the device.
  - xenospn 6y ago
    They can't unlock it.
judge2020 6y ago
To clarify, this jailbreak (using cydia impactor) requires you "trust" the computer you plug into and click a button within the app, so no.
Lammy 6y ago
You can do it if your iPad is one of the models vulnerable to the "checkm8" bootloader exploit. Sorry I'm not going to name any tools or link to any tutorials, though, RE https://github.com/axi0mX/ipwndfu/issues/100 https://github.com/axi0mX/ipwndfu/issues/100
- _kbh_ 6y ago
  He likely wouldn't be able to get past an unknown pass code with checkm8. Whilst it would jailbreak the device the flash is encrypted with a derived key thats stored in the secure enclave and can only be unlocked with the PIN.

by _eht 6y ago

I’ve had an iPad that’s been locked for at least a year (forgot pin) and I don’t have a computer that runs iTunes to plug it in to and unlock it. Would this get past that?

ValentineC 6y ago

> I’ve had an iPad that’s been locked for at least a year (forgot pin) and I don’t have a computer that runs iTunes to plug it in to and unlock it. If you have the proof of purchase, an Apple Store should be able to unlock it for you.

_eht 6y ago
I’m 7hrs away from a apple store... pretty remote, but do have proof of purchase. I’ll take that as a no? Someday I’ll have a usable iPad again.
- MaxLeiter 6y ago
  I had to get a laptop fixed and Apple shipped me a box. 10 days later (and this was a few weeks ago during height of Covid lockdown in US) I got it back. I recommend looking into something like that.
choward 6y ago
Are you serious? People are okay with this? What's the point of encryption if Apple can unlock it? If the same thing happens on an encrypted computer you won't be able to access the data, but at least the device isn't bricked.
- ggreer 6y ago
  You misunderstand. Apple can erase the device and let a new user set it up from scratch, but they can't read the data off it. The feature is called Activation Lock and it exists to discourage theft.
  - choward 6y ago
    Thanks for clarifying. The only part missing is being able to do this yourself instead of having to involve a third party.
    - ornornor 6y ago
      Kinda nullifies the whole “deter theft” thing then.
      - choward 6y ago
        I'm not sure what "the whole 'deter theft'" thing is but 'deter theft' sounds like a marketing gimmick to me. You give some corporation your keys to hold for you because you can't trust yourself. Why can't you unlock your own damn phone?
        ornornor 6y ago
        So that a stolen phone is useless? That’s a pretty big deterrent. And you still hold the private key, from what parent said having the store unlock the phone means that it will be factory reset so they still can’t access the data on the phone.
        varenc 6y ago
        If you want to get into the specifics...neither Apple nor the user holds the real private key. The key needed to decrypt the phone contents is generated and stored in the Secure Enclave, a separate piece of hardware+firmware on the phone. When the user providers their password/pin, the Secure Enclave checks to make sure it's correct and then it will decrypt the phone contents and make them available but the actual decryption key never leaves the secure enclave and isn't accessible by the main OS.
        ggreer 6y ago
        That's not what is happening. Please look some of this stuff up before assuming the worst. Apple does not have the ability to decrypt the device, nor do users depend on Apple to unlock the device. Users can choose to enable Activation Lock, which means that only the owner or Apple can allow someone else to erase the device and set it up from scratch. Users can disable Activation Lock at any time. The only time that users can't disable it is if they forget their iCloud credentials. That's when they have to go to an Apple store and prove that they own the device.
- xenospn 6y ago
  They can't unlock it.

judge2020 6y ago

To clarify, this jailbreak (using cydia impactor) requires you "trust" the computer you plug into and click a button within the app, so no.

Lammy 6y ago

You can do it if your iPad is one of the models vulnerable to the "checkm8" bootloader exploit. Sorry I'm not going to name any tools or link to any tutorials, though, RE https://github.com/axi0mX/ipwndfu/issues/100 https://github.com/axi0mX/ipwndfu/issues/100

_kbh_ 6y ago
He likely wouldn't be able to get past an unknown pass code with checkm8. Whilst it would jailbreak the device the flash is encrypted with a derived key thats stored in the secure enclave and can only be unlocked with the PIN.