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I'm not sure exactly who the indigenous people were in the present day UK, but surely you're not saying that they're still running things? I just checked Wikip

I'm not sure exactly who the indigenous people were in the present day UK, but surely you're not saying that they're still running things? I just checked Wikipedia and the Celts seem to have come from central Europe, so I guess they aren't the original inhabitants, but another wave of invaders. If you go back far enough, you could probably consider Neanderthals to be victims of genocide. But there could have been an even earlier wave of settlement, so were they really indigenous?

microcolonel 6y ago
The point is that the concept of "indigenous" people is extremely limited, how large does a piece of virgin land which was never stolen need to be, for there to be nobody there but the indigenous people? Is there a length of time which makes a people indigenous after conquering land once?
gerdesj 6y ago
Pre Roman invasion in 43 AD, Britons (Brythonic languages etc). 43 AD to roughly 400 AD, Romano Britons and various combinations and graduations thereof. Roughly 300 or 400 onwards, Saxons, Angles, Jutes start to turn up in these isles. The Romans are generally considered to have buggered off around 400ish. The largely Angle/Saxon incursion was not a smooth considered invasion but more of a spreading out. Bear in mind that travelling by sea was generally easier than by land at the time. Heavily wooded hills are a pain to cross compared to sea with a decent wind. So the sea back then was not a barrier but actually helpful. 300?-1066 - What will become the UK etc is an amalgam of tiddly kingdoms and whatnot. What becomes England is Wessex, Dumnonia (Devon and Cornwall - a bit Welsh - west wales), Kent, Essex, Sussex, Norfolk, Mercia, Deira and quite a lot more. There was the Danelaw and Dalegelt business with a bunch of homicidal viking folk. York's, and hence New York's names are derived from Jorvik which was the Danish name for the original town. The Romans called the place Eboracum. Then the Normans turn up in 1066. lol
- danans 6y ago
  > York's, and hence New York's names are derived from Jorvik There is a step between Jorvik and the Latin Eboracum: Eoforvic.
danans 6y ago
The Mesolithic population represented by Cheddar man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man) may be the closest we know to the first inhabitants of the British Isles after the last ice age (10k yrs ago). There is evidence of habitation before the last ice age but no human remains have been found. Based on DNA analysis Cheddar man is thought to have had dark skin, blue eyes, and despite his name, been lactose intolerant: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42939192 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42939192

microcolonel 6y ago

The point is that the concept of "indigenous" people is extremely limited, how large does a piece of virgin land which was never stolen need to be, for there to be nobody there but the indigenous people? Is there a length of time which makes a people indigenous after conquering land once?

gerdesj 6y ago

Pre Roman invasion in 43 AD, Britons (Brythonic languages etc). 43 AD to roughly 400 AD, Romano Britons and various combinations and graduations thereof. Roughly 300 or 400 onwards, Saxons, Angles, Jutes start to turn up in these isles. The Romans are generally considered to have buggered off around 400ish. The largely Angle/Saxon incursion was not a smooth considered invasion but more of a spreading out. Bear in mind that travelling by sea was generally easier than by land at the time. Heavily wooded hills are a pain to cross compared to sea with a decent wind. So the sea back then was not a barrier but actually helpful. 300?-1066 - What will become the UK etc is an amalgam of tiddly kingdoms and whatnot. What becomes England is Wessex, Dumnonia (Devon and Cornwall - a bit Welsh - west wales), Kent, Essex, Sussex, Norfolk, Mercia, Deira and quite a lot more. There was the Danelaw and Dalegelt business with a bunch of homicidal viking folk. York's, and hence New York's names are derived from Jorvik which was the Danish name for the original town. The Romans called the place Eboracum. Then the Normans turn up in 1066. lol

danans 6y ago
> York's, and hence New York's names are derived from Jorvik There is a step between Jorvik and the Latin Eboracum: Eoforvic.

danans 6y ago

The Mesolithic population represented by Cheddar man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man) may be the closest we know to the first inhabitants of the British Isles after the last ice age (10k yrs ago). There is evidence of habitation before the last ice age but no human remains have been found. Based on DNA analysis Cheddar man is thought to have had dark skin, blue eyes, and despite his name, been lactose intolerant: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42939192 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42939192