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The article doesn't talk about this, but the most mind blowing thing about the "CBD craze" to me is that hemp flower is now legal in all 50 states, and despite

The article doesn't talk about this, but the most mind blowing thing about the "CBD craze" to me is that hemp flower is now legal in all 50 states, and despite what people will tell you ("you can't get high off hemp; it doesn't have THC; it doesn't have enough THC to get you high") it definitely can get you high. It won't get you high in the same way that Modern Engineered Marijuana (TM) will (read: it won't make you go crazy), but marijuana of the 1970's is basically legal everywhere, and you will get stoned if you smoke it. Flower is typically tested for compliance against the psychoactive delta9-THC in most states (not in all states though), which ignores the THCA content. But THCA is converted to delta9-THC when heated/"decarboxylated", which is a pretty big loophole. These communities [1][2] are buying ounces of weed through the mail. A better example is probably this 17 gram edible [3]. At 0.3% d9-THC, that's a ~5mg dose of psychoactive THC per package. You can buy these all over the US in states like Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, and Kentucky... Places not exactly known to be "weed friendly". See this map [4]. Pot has basically been legalized everywhere and people just don't know about it yet. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hempflowers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/hempflowers/ [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/CBDhempBuds/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CBDhempBuds/ [3]: https://lunchboxalchemycbd.com/products/full-spectrum-hemp-squibs-100mg-each-10-servings?variant=31701050556496 https://lunchboxalchemycbd.com/products/full-spectrum-hemp-s... [4]: https://lunchboxalchemy.com/cbd-retailers-cbd-squib/ https://lunchboxalchemy.com/cbd-retailers-cbd-squib/

bhewes 6y ago
Except we have had medical marijuana for over a year in Oklahoma.
- refurb 6y ago
  Sure, but you need to jump through a bunch of hoops to get a medical marijuana license? You can order CBD off the internet.
- sneak 6y ago
  Possession or sale of, or receiving cross-state-lines payment for marijuana is a federal felony in all 50 US states, including of course Oklahoma. The same is not true for hemp.
throwitawayfam 6y ago
Another loophole is delta8-THC[1]. d8-THC is derived from CBD[2]. It _does_ occur naturally in hemp flower, however not in any significant amount (yet). delta8 gets you high, without the anxiety. Typically it's consumed mixed with cannabis terpenes[3] in a vape pen, or consumed orally. With so much CBD flower production happening and the pricing race to the bottom, more and more d8 vendors are popping up. The arbitrarily set d9-THC limit isn't preventing anyone from getting high, it's only hurting growers that accidentally produce "hot" flower. You can find discussion about d8 in those subreddits you mentioned as well. [1]: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/delta8-THC https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/delta8-THC [2]: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20040143126.pdf https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.goog... [3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7120914/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7120914/
babygoat 6y ago
It has all of the lethargy but without the euphoria.
borkt 6y ago
It slightly bothers me that people regularly claim the marijuana of the 1970's was so much weaker than today, for example the statement that the cannabis of the 70s was no stronger than todays hemp. In my neck of the woods there has always been stuff that is basically as good as it is today. Keep in mind hash has existed at least 1000 years, and cannabis has been cultivated for millenia. Sure, there was copious amounts of low quality mexican weed in the 1970s, but there were people growing the good stuff as well, albeit with lower yields and much longer flowering times. I've grown out some afghani seeds collected in the early 80s from the soviet army and despite the extremely long flowering time it is unbelievably potent and aromatic. Its a much more skunky, acrid aroma than the designer fruity strains of today, but the THC is there.
- GuiA 6y ago
  It’s a well debunked meme, see this thread https://twitter.com/danalarsen/status/1167941723969900544 https://twitter.com/danalarsen/status/1167941723969900544
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    Ha! That’s great. Reminds of how there’s always that one person in any group who says something like: “You reckon that’s good? You should try my cousins shit”, or some variant. Or how every 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 year old / dead drug users will say “it’s not like it was back in my day”.
  - JamesBarney 6y ago
    This makes a compelling argument that government agencies aren't telling the truth about the degree of increased cannabis potency. It in no way debunks that there was an increase in cannabis potency. Even in just the last 20 years(when we have much better data) there has been a large increase in potency.
- cannaceo 6y ago
  Popular strains from even 8 years ago like Master Kush are no longer sellable because their max potency is 20-21%. Afghani falls in the same category of 16-20% THC. Brick weed tests closer to 4-7% THC. Many retailers I sell to won’t accept any indoor under 20% and the flower testing >26% sells out fast. We are currently working to retire any sub-25% strain because today’s consumer buys on potency. Most recently I sold out of a 31% THC potency GG4. Phinest Cannabis is releasing a strain called ‘Fatso’ that they’ve had test at 39% total THC. I don’t think we’re at the end of the line yet.
craftinator 6y ago
> It won't get you high in the same way that Modern Engineered Marijuana (TM) will (read: it won't make you go crazy) Make you go crazy? I've had friends who were all-day stoners for 20+ years. I've never seen anyone "go crazy". Become lazy yes, get couch-locked yes, get really creative yes, have short attention spans yes; crazy, no. Worst I've seen is someone who's never smoked do a dab (inhale highly concentrated THC as a vapor) and have a paranoid panic attack, after which I learned that they were prone to panic attacks. I do agree, however, that the genetically engineered marijuana of today is at least 5% more potent than the stuffs of the 60s-70s.
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- throwaway420524 6y ago
  Anecdotal: I know 4 people well enough to know that they had psychotic episodes. All of them were using cannabis at the time of onset. I don't think it caused those diseases in those people, but I think if you have schizophrenia or bipolar I, or critically if you might have it but are not yet diagnosed, it can mix poorly and you could be in for a bad time with long term consequences, so be careful. I am in favor of legalization, but people need to get less defensive about this. It's harmless for most people and shouldn't be a crime for law abiding adults. But there's real risks for that small subset of people. Also anecdotal: There were a few times where I saw mental health professionals ask in my town "how often do you use cannabis?" as one of the first screening questions, one of them said offhand that they see it a lot in their line of work.
- macawfish 6y ago
  Yes. THC is anxiogenic and pro-psychotic in high enough doses. This is not controversial. And CBD is anti-psychotic and anxiolytic in high enough doses. Those doses vary by individual. But these are basic, general facts studied and acknowledged by cannabis researchers and advocates alike. This isn't some drug war propaganda. It's the result of research that was enabled by the legalization effort. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2801827/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2801827/ I've seen two peoples' [predisposition to?] schizophrenia catch up with them during times when they were smoking a lot of weed. I've also personally experienced high THC weed exacerbate my own mental health. And I'd actually blame prohibition for producing all this high potency space weed coupled with an foolish assumption that "high potency is better because it's more bang for your buck." (If you can handle your space weed I'm not mad at you!) I'm extremely grateful to the people who worked so hard to make cannabis legal, because now we have people growing a variety of strains that work for everyone.
thescriptkiddie 6y ago
> marijuana of the 1970's is basically legal everywhere Is there any good data about what percent THC was common back then? I fond a few articles giving numbers between 1 and 4% without citations, and one Atlantic piece [0] calling it a myth. In any case it seems like it must have been higher than 0.3%, unless people really smoked ~40 times more in one sitting. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/was-marijuana-really-less-potent-in-the-1960s/387010/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/was-m...
- nickysielicki 6y ago
  The problem is that there's no single THC percentage metric. Do you measure the total theoretical decarb'd d9-THC content? Do you measure just the d9-THC and pay no mind to the THCA? It's hard to know what 1%-4% means. What I am saying is that due to bureaucracy and loopholes, there is a lot of hemp being sold in the US right now that's high in THCA (1%-4% is a reasonable range, maybe even higher) but is technically underneath the 0.3% d9-THC threshold that the labs are testing for.
  - GordonS 6y ago
    Surely it's the total THCA/THC content that's being tested, as all the THCA is going to be converted to THC while being smoked/vaped, or when decarbed for edibles. Are they seriously only testing for THC and ignoring THCA? That would seem pretty unlikely.
    - nickysielicki 6y ago
      That's exactly what's happening. https://industrialhempfarms.com/cbd-hemp-legality/ https://industrialhempfarms.com/cbd-hemp-legality/
      - GordonS 6y ago
        Hmm, that is... odd! Technically this would allow them to sell uncured weed that's as strong as anything you could find in legal states. This must surely have been instituted by growers to fool lawmakers into thinking they could self regulate or something?
superkuh 6y ago
The most mindblowing thing to me is that it's being sold as placebo doses. People are buying commercial products with 15mg CBD as if that's anything but homeopathy. Usually scientific investigation use 300-600 mg in humans with 600mg being the recommended dose for effects. But even the scientific studies sometimes don't use the recommended dose because 600mg CBD costs too much for 2 times daily for a month. CBD is not active at the CB1 or CB2 receptors. It has very low affinity for them. It has moderate affinity for the serotonin-1a autoreceptor (that the anti-anxiety medication buspirone also targets). But only at very high dosages (ie, 300mg+).
- cannaceo 6y ago
  Wholesale pricing on 1000mg of CBD is about $0.50 right now and dropping. I don’t think it will be more than another 18 months before CBD is “just another ingredient”.
  - tasty_freeze 6y ago
    Retail pricing of 1000mg of CBD is about $24. I just bought 1650mg of low THC CBD to see if it would do anything for mild arthritis, $40.
    - onemoresoop 6y ago
      Did it alleviate your arthritis?
      - tasty_freeze 6y ago
        Nope. I took 30mg per day for a month for each of four brands, and it didn't change things one way or another. I'm in my mid 50s and the arthritis is mild still, and it affects me most when playing bass (my main hobby right now). I didn't try going to higher amounts because it gets expensive quickly. Via a friend of a friend, I was able to get a bottle of "Jayden's Juice", a brand from California which is 20:1 CBD:THC or something like that. My daily dose of THC was 1mg or 1.5mg, and even for a THC virgin like me, it had no mental or sensory effect, but sure enough, my stiffness was reduced and the flare ups were less intense. It wasn't dramatic, it took two or three days to notice the effect, but it seemed to be real. I stopped for a few weeks just to test if the correlation held up, then started again. The stiffness/pain tracked. This is a data point of one, and non-blinded study at that, so it is easy to dismiss this as placebo effect. On the other hand, the CBD-only oils didn't help even though many people say it helps them and I went in hoping I would get the same benefit. Unfortunately, I'm in Texas and driving round trip to a THC legal state is at least 25 hours, so instead I have continued to sample Texas-legal CBD tinctures, hoping one helps in the same way.
aryzach 6y ago
is this stuff really like 1970s weed? I have a feeling it's still has quite a bit less THC than 70s weed. I started smoking weed probably a year before the medical craze hit the midwest. We called them 'regs' and they were about $5 / gram. I completely stopped smoking after I couldn't find regs anymore because I was just getting way too high off the medical stuff. I would definitely start again if I could find actual pre-medical weed. I just can't find it. Even the lowest THC content at dispensaries is way too much
- macawfish 6y ago
  You gotta get it from head shops or online. Dispensaries are sleeping on it. Sometimes they have it in the form of random prerolls but all the interesting new ultra low THC strains are found online or in head shops.
  - ryanianian 6y ago
    What do they call it in headshops that don’t have dispensary licenses?
    - macawfish 6y ago
      Hemp flowers or CBD hemp flowers/buds. Although I'd look online for the exact strain you want. Tweedle Farms is a popular and reputable grower, and many of the strains they sell are grown by others, so you could use them as a reference for some of the strains that are out there.
TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
> read: it won't make you go crazy What is this supposed to mean? Is high potency marijuana making people go / act crazy? If so, I wasn’t aware of that and would like to know more.
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- macawfish 6y ago
  Oh definitely this has been fairly well established for a while now. THC is pro-psychotic/anxiogenic in high enough doses and CBD is anti-psychotic/anxiolytic in high enough doses. The balance is crucial. And yes this has been backed up by studies showing that people smoking weed with higher THC/CBD ratio are more prone to psychotic break, and others showing that CBD can actually alleviate psychotic symptoms. CBD is even used in very large doses (~1 gram!) to treat schizophrenia. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4604190/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4604190/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920996411002246?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092099641... The balance is really important and there are a lot of individual factors.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    Oh, right, I see now. Thanks for explaining that and providing the references.
- dkn775 6y ago
  Even if it’s not go crazy in the traditional sense, I know for me I can’t smoke like in college, I get extremely anxious.
colordrops 6y ago
The loophole won't help you if you get a drug test.
dumbfoundded 6y ago
My company is in this space. It's absolutely wild. I often think people don't realize the implications of hemp being legalized. My hope is that hemp flower makes the outlawing of THC seem that much more stupid. I've made some videos about the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCdVtFpuMus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCdVtFpuMus It gets more complicated than you describe. Good and bad actors exist. The subreddits you pointed to mostly contain people looking for an alternative to smoking weed for a variety of reasons. Most of them center on CBD effects on the body without the mental high associated with THC. Most of the legal hemp flower strains are 30 CBD : 1 THC. CBD also acts as an antagonist for THC and can bring you down from a high very quickly. Plenty of bad actors also exist. There are now also labs that are exploring rare cannabinoids like THCv and THC-delta-8. These cannabinoids have similar effects to THC but are technically hemp. The laws are extremely broken and I think eventually there will be a reckoning for people trying to get others high through loopholes. Hopefully, companies trying to make non-psychoactive products like CBD, CBG, and CBN won't get caught in the cross-fire.
coderintherye 6y ago
>hemp flower is now legal in all 50 states This is not exactly true. It is federally legal, but states can still ban it. Idaho and North Dakota both have, and North Carolina passed a law which will do so. I run a CBD hemp flower company and we have to keep up with the shifting state laws.
phyzome 6y ago
Wait, can I grow hemp now? (I'm in Massachusetts.) I've been wanting to grow it for a while as a fiber plant, which is what it used to be used for. (I mean, I'm going to do my research first to check state and federal laws, but I didn't know something had changed federally.) ETA: Sounds like it's legal federally, but it's less clear what the deal is in my state, where I can only find commercial guidance: https://www.mass.gov/guides/hemp-in-massachusetts-faqs https://www.mass.gov/guides/hemp-in-massachusetts-faqs

bhewes 6y ago

Except we have had medical marijuana for over a year in Oklahoma.

refurb 6y ago
Sure, but you need to jump through a bunch of hoops to get a medical marijuana license? You can order CBD off the internet.
sneak 6y ago
Possession or sale of, or receiving cross-state-lines payment for marijuana is a federal felony in all 50 US states, including of course Oklahoma. The same is not true for hemp.

throwitawayfam 6y ago

Another loophole is delta8-THC[1]. d8-THC is derived from CBD[2]. It _does_ occur naturally in hemp flower, however not in any significant amount (yet). delta8 gets you high, without the anxiety. Typically it's consumed mixed with cannabis terpenes[3] in a vape pen, or consumed orally. With so much CBD flower production happening and the pricing race to the bottom, more and more d8 vendors are popping up. The arbitrarily set d9-THC limit isn't preventing anyone from getting high, it's only hurting growers that accidentally produce "hot" flower. You can find discussion about d8 in those subreddits you mentioned as well. [1]: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/delta8-THC https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/delta8-THC [2]: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20040143126.pdf https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.goog... [3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7120914/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7120914/

babygoat 6y ago

It has all of the lethargy but without the euphoria.

borkt 6y ago

It slightly bothers me that people regularly claim the marijuana of the 1970's was so much weaker than today, for example the statement that the cannabis of the 70s was no stronger than todays hemp. In my neck of the woods there has always been stuff that is basically as good as it is today. Keep in mind hash has existed at least 1000 years, and cannabis has been cultivated for millenia. Sure, there was copious amounts of low quality mexican weed in the 1970s, but there were people growing the good stuff as well, albeit with lower yields and much longer flowering times. I've grown out some afghani seeds collected in the early 80s from the soviet army and despite the extremely long flowering time it is unbelievably potent and aromatic. Its a much more skunky, acrid aroma than the designer fruity strains of today, but the THC is there.

GuiA 6y ago
It’s a well debunked meme, see this thread https://twitter.com/danalarsen/status/1167941723969900544 https://twitter.com/danalarsen/status/1167941723969900544
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
  Ha! That’s great. Reminds of how there’s always that one person in any group who says something like: “You reckon that’s good? You should try my cousins shit”, or some variant. Or how every 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 year old / dead drug users will say “it’s not like it was back in my day”.
- JamesBarney 6y ago
  This makes a compelling argument that government agencies aren't telling the truth about the degree of increased cannabis potency. It in no way debunks that there was an increase in cannabis potency. Even in just the last 20 years(when we have much better data) there has been a large increase in potency.
cannaceo 6y ago
Popular strains from even 8 years ago like Master Kush are no longer sellable because their max potency is 20-21%. Afghani falls in the same category of 16-20% THC. Brick weed tests closer to 4-7% THC. Many retailers I sell to won’t accept any indoor under 20% and the flower testing >26% sells out fast. We are currently working to retire any sub-25% strain because today’s consumer buys on potency. Most recently I sold out of a 31% THC potency GG4. Phinest Cannabis is releasing a strain called ‘Fatso’ that they’ve had test at 39% total THC. I don’t think we’re at the end of the line yet.

craftinator 6y ago

> It won't get you high in the same way that Modern Engineered Marijuana (TM) will (read: it won't make you go crazy) Make you go crazy? I've had friends who were all-day stoners for 20+ years. I've never seen anyone "go crazy". Become lazy yes, get couch-locked yes, get really creative yes, have short attention spans yes; crazy, no. Worst I've seen is someone who's never smoked do a dab (inhale highly concentrated THC as a vapor) and have a paranoid panic attack, after which I learned that they were prone to panic attacks. I do agree, however, that the genetically engineered marijuana of today is at least 5% more potent than the stuffs of the 60s-70s.

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throwaway420524 6y ago
Anecdotal: I know 4 people well enough to know that they had psychotic episodes. All of them were using cannabis at the time of onset. I don't think it caused those diseases in those people, but I think if you have schizophrenia or bipolar I, or critically if you might have it but are not yet diagnosed, it can mix poorly and you could be in for a bad time with long term consequences, so be careful. I am in favor of legalization, but people need to get less defensive about this. It's harmless for most people and shouldn't be a crime for law abiding adults. But there's real risks for that small subset of people. Also anecdotal: There were a few times where I saw mental health professionals ask in my town "how often do you use cannabis?" as one of the first screening questions, one of them said offhand that they see it a lot in their line of work.
macawfish 6y ago
Yes. THC is anxiogenic and pro-psychotic in high enough doses. This is not controversial. And CBD is anti-psychotic and anxiolytic in high enough doses. Those doses vary by individual. But these are basic, general facts studied and acknowledged by cannabis researchers and advocates alike. This isn't some drug war propaganda. It's the result of research that was enabled by the legalization effort. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2801827/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2801827/ I've seen two peoples' [predisposition to?] schizophrenia catch up with them during times when they were smoking a lot of weed. I've also personally experienced high THC weed exacerbate my own mental health. And I'd actually blame prohibition for producing all this high potency space weed coupled with an foolish assumption that "high potency is better because it's more bang for your buck." (If you can handle your space weed I'm not mad at you!) I'm extremely grateful to the people who worked so hard to make cannabis legal, because now we have people growing a variety of strains that work for everyone.

thescriptkiddie 6y ago

> marijuana of the 1970's is basically legal everywhere Is there any good data about what percent THC was common back then? I fond a few articles giving numbers between 1 and 4% without citations, and one Atlantic piece [0] calling it a myth. In any case it seems like it must have been higher than 0.3%, unless people really smoked ~40 times more in one sitting. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/was-marijuana-really-less-potent-in-the-1960s/387010/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/was-m...

nickysielicki 6y ago
The problem is that there's no single THC percentage metric. Do you measure the total theoretical decarb'd d9-THC content? Do you measure just the d9-THC and pay no mind to the THCA? It's hard to know what 1%-4% means. What I am saying is that due to bureaucracy and loopholes, there is a lot of hemp being sold in the US right now that's high in THCA (1%-4% is a reasonable range, maybe even higher) but is technically underneath the 0.3% d9-THC threshold that the labs are testing for.
- GordonS 6y ago
  Surely it's the total THCA/THC content that's being tested, as all the THCA is going to be converted to THC while being smoked/vaped, or when decarbed for edibles. Are they seriously only testing for THC and ignoring THCA? That would seem pretty unlikely.
  - nickysielicki 6y ago
    That's exactly what's happening. https://industrialhempfarms.com/cbd-hemp-legality/ https://industrialhempfarms.com/cbd-hemp-legality/
    - GordonS 6y ago
      Hmm, that is... odd! Technically this would allow them to sell uncured weed that's as strong as anything you could find in legal states. This must surely have been instituted by growers to fool lawmakers into thinking they could self regulate or something?

superkuh 6y ago

The most mindblowing thing to me is that it's being sold as placebo doses. People are buying commercial products with 15mg CBD as if that's anything but homeopathy. Usually scientific investigation use 300-600 mg in humans with 600mg being the recommended dose for effects. But even the scientific studies sometimes don't use the recommended dose because 600mg CBD costs too much for 2 times daily for a month. CBD is not active at the CB1 or CB2 receptors. It has very low affinity for them. It has moderate affinity for the serotonin-1a autoreceptor (that the anti-anxiety medication buspirone also targets). But only at very high dosages (ie, 300mg+).

cannaceo 6y ago
Wholesale pricing on 1000mg of CBD is about $0.50 right now and dropping. I don’t think it will be more than another 18 months before CBD is “just another ingredient”.
- tasty_freeze 6y ago
  Retail pricing of 1000mg of CBD is about $24. I just bought 1650mg of low THC CBD to see if it would do anything for mild arthritis, $40.
  - onemoresoop 6y ago
    Did it alleviate your arthritis?
    - tasty_freeze 6y ago
      Nope. I took 30mg per day for a month for each of four brands, and it didn't change things one way or another. I'm in my mid 50s and the arthritis is mild still, and it affects me most when playing bass (my main hobby right now). I didn't try going to higher amounts because it gets expensive quickly. Via a friend of a friend, I was able to get a bottle of "Jayden's Juice", a brand from California which is 20:1 CBD:THC or something like that. My daily dose of THC was 1mg or 1.5mg, and even for a THC virgin like me, it had no mental or sensory effect, but sure enough, my stiffness was reduced and the flare ups were less intense. It wasn't dramatic, it took two or three days to notice the effect, but it seemed to be real. I stopped for a few weeks just to test if the correlation held up, then started again. The stiffness/pain tracked. This is a data point of one, and non-blinded study at that, so it is easy to dismiss this as placebo effect. On the other hand, the CBD-only oils didn't help even though many people say it helps them and I went in hoping I would get the same benefit. Unfortunately, I'm in Texas and driving round trip to a THC legal state is at least 25 hours, so instead I have continued to sample Texas-legal CBD tinctures, hoping one helps in the same way.

aryzach 6y ago

is this stuff really like 1970s weed? I have a feeling it's still has quite a bit less THC than 70s weed. I started smoking weed probably a year before the medical craze hit the midwest. We called them 'regs' and they were about $5 / gram. I completely stopped smoking after I couldn't find regs anymore because I was just getting way too high off the medical stuff. I would definitely start again if I could find actual pre-medical weed. I just can't find it. Even the lowest THC content at dispensaries is way too much

macawfish 6y ago
You gotta get it from head shops or online. Dispensaries are sleeping on it. Sometimes they have it in the form of random prerolls but all the interesting new ultra low THC strains are found online or in head shops.
- ryanianian 6y ago
  What do they call it in headshops that don’t have dispensary licenses?
  - macawfish 6y ago
    Hemp flowers or CBD hemp flowers/buds. Although I'd look online for the exact strain you want. Tweedle Farms is a popular and reputable grower, and many of the strains they sell are grown by others, so you could use them as a reference for some of the strains that are out there.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

> read: it won't make you go crazy What is this supposed to mean? Is high potency marijuana making people go / act crazy? If so, I wasn’t aware of that and would like to know more.

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macawfish 6y ago
Oh definitely this has been fairly well established for a while now. THC is pro-psychotic/anxiogenic in high enough doses and CBD is anti-psychotic/anxiolytic in high enough doses. The balance is crucial. And yes this has been backed up by studies showing that people smoking weed with higher THC/CBD ratio are more prone to psychotic break, and others showing that CBD can actually alleviate psychotic symptoms. CBD is even used in very large doses (~1 gram!) to treat schizophrenia. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4604190/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4604190/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920996411002246?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092099641... The balance is really important and there are a lot of individual factors.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
  Oh, right, I see now. Thanks for explaining that and providing the references.
dkn775 6y ago
Even if it’s not go crazy in the traditional sense, I know for me I can’t smoke like in college, I get extremely anxious.

colordrops 6y ago

The loophole won't help you if you get a drug test.

dumbfoundded 6y ago

My company is in this space. It's absolutely wild. I often think people don't realize the implications of hemp being legalized. My hope is that hemp flower makes the outlawing of THC seem that much more stupid. I've made some videos about the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCdVtFpuMus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCdVtFpuMus It gets more complicated than you describe. Good and bad actors exist. The subreddits you pointed to mostly contain people looking for an alternative to smoking weed for a variety of reasons. Most of them center on CBD effects on the body without the mental high associated with THC. Most of the legal hemp flower strains are 30 CBD : 1 THC. CBD also acts as an antagonist for THC and can bring you down from a high very quickly. Plenty of bad actors also exist. There are now also labs that are exploring rare cannabinoids like THCv and THC-delta-8. These cannabinoids have similar effects to THC but are technically hemp. The laws are extremely broken and I think eventually there will be a reckoning for people trying to get others high through loopholes. Hopefully, companies trying to make non-psychoactive products like CBD, CBG, and CBN won't get caught in the cross-fire.

coderintherye 6y ago

>hemp flower is now legal in all 50 states This is not exactly true. It is federally legal, but states can still ban it. Idaho and North Dakota both have, and North Carolina passed a law which will do so. I run a CBD hemp flower company and we have to keep up with the shifting state laws.

phyzome 6y ago

Wait, can I grow hemp now? (I'm in Massachusetts.) I've been wanting to grow it for a while as a fiber plant, which is what it used to be used for. (I mean, I'm going to do my research first to check state and federal laws, but I didn't know something had changed federally.) ETA: Sounds like it's legal federally, but it's less clear what the deal is in my state, where I can only find commercial guidance: https://www.mass.gov/guides/hemp-in-massachusetts-faqs https://www.mass.gov/guides/hemp-in-massachusetts-faqs