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I was already a bit worried about the game-plan that the Dutch government presented. From what I understand, from June 1st on (or 2nd or so?) many venues, inclu
by mercer 6y ago
I was already a bit worried about the game-plan that the Dutch government presented. From what I understand, from June 1st on (or 2nd or so?) many venues, including bars, can open again with x amount of people per m2, and a maximum of 30 people. A rather tepid 'keep 1.5m distance' is added, as well as an even more tepid "if you're from the same household you can sit at the same tables", or however that will be implemented in practice.
I'm more worried now that I read that I'm not the only one who suspects that people spending prolonged periods of time together are the main cause of the spread of Covid-19. To me it seems ridiculous to think that 1.5m distance will magically make thing work. Even in supermarket every single visit I all but bump into others. But there's very little spittle from talking or coughing, so I imagine the risk is much lower.
At this point what I hope for is that summertime will make a big difference, and that perhaps my government knows this and is crafting a 'public' message that just doesn't paint the full picture.
But honestly, much as I think we in NL have done pretty okay (middling, really), at this point I expect we'll have at the very least a 'second wave' and probably end up in the middle of death statistics for that too.
I kind of wish we'd try to do a bit better and follow the example of, I think, some countries in Asia, and just assume that things will be different now, and adjust how our society interacts in some basic ways. Core to that would be:
- wear face masks. anything where a cough doesn't douse a lighter is 'good enough'.
- make testing a regular, common thing. take temperatures every time you show up at work.
- rigorously limit the distance between people in bars, cafe's, public transport, shops, etc. I think we're doing okay on this front in most shops I've gone too: a fixed number of trolleys or carts, and people wait if they run out. Just last week I waited for ~20 mins at a second hand store.
- be as lenient as possible for those outside. it does a lot to take the pressure off, and the risk seems relatively low.
- for the love of God, don't let up to 30 people in an enclosed, badly ventilated space, and don't make an exception for people who claim that "they're flatmates/partners".
One can dream.
- koheripbal 6y ago> an even more tepid "if you're from the same household you can sit at the same tables" This makes perfect sense. Imagine asking parents to sit at separate tables from their children. If kids in a home are infected - trust me - everyone in that house is infected. Have you ever tried to social distance from a 3 year old?
- mercer 6y agoIt makes sense in theory. In practice I already know a bunch of people who will just claim they're from the same household. And many of those are not typically 'asshole' types.
- ckdarby 6y agoWhich is still fine because these are also probably the same people who drove in the same car there or will repeat the same stuff next week anyways. No difference than being in the same household. Not saying I agree just pointing out it isn't really worth arguing what rules will/can be bent.
- mercer 6y agoHa, that's a good point, actually. I suspect it's mostly, but not entirely true. In my circles the 'meet at a bar or other public place' circle is significantly wider than the 'meeting at someone's place' circle. But perhaps even that looser circle is still good enough compared to the pre-lockdown situation (clubs being open, for one).
- greenyoda 6y ago> I'm more worried now that I read that I'm not the only one who suspects that people spending prolonged periods of time together are the main cause of the spread of Covid-19. > At this point what I hope for is that summertime will make a big difference If the greatest risk of transmission is close contact in enclosed spaces, and most of these spaces (homes, stores, restaurants, offices, mass transit, etc.) are air conditioned (making them cool and dry), why would summer weather have a significant effect on the propagation of the virus?
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y agoIn the Netherlands, most of those spaces are not air-conditioned.