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> Strategies that focus on the individual — using conceptions of ethics rooted in libertarianism — contradict the mission of public health. This is quite the c

by dvt 6y ago

> Strategies that focus on the individual — using conceptions of ethics rooted in libertarianism — contradict the mission of public health. This is quite the claim. Unfortunately, it's not really backed up by much. Not to mention that the idea of an "immunity passport" is pretty anti-libertarian to begin with, so it just seems like odd shade-throwing. > because of structural inequities, people of colour are dying from COVID-19 at much higher rates than are white people.. I was under the impression that people of color are more impacted by COVID-19 due to certain health profiles (e.g. diabetes being more common in black communities than, say, Asian communities). I'm not really sure how the jump is made here to "structural inequities." COVID-19 is just one co-morbidity and claiming otherwise is just agenda-waving.

ceejayoz 6y ago
> I was under the impression that people of color are more impacted by COVID-19 due to certain health profiles (e.g. diabetes being more common in black communities than, say, Asian communities). That's one factor, but there are many. Hospitals in low income areas are not as well funded and supplied. Access to primary care may be more limited. Heavier concentrations of jobs with less ability to work from home. etc.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  But that does not explain the same effect in sweden, where also the people of color were much more affected. And sweden is very homogenized, compared to US.
  - SiempreViernes 6y ago
    > And sweden is very homogenized [Citation needed]
    - hutzlibu 6y ago
      "The Income inequality in Sweden ranks low in the Gini coefficient, being 25.2 as of 2015 which is one of the lowest in the world" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_Sweden
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        That’s not a great measurement for homogeneity.
        hutzlibu 6y ago
        But it's the one that matters in that context. Which was poor US areas are really poor and so are their hospitals. In sweden there are no really poor areas and no underpayed hospitals. (they are also not perfect, though)
  - detaro 6y ago
    Less effective communication into immigrant communities (which might not pay attention to normal government communications, not understand the intent behind it or not even speak the language) has been cited as one of the possible reasons: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/21/sweden-coronavirus-anti-lockdown-immigrants/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/21/sweden-coronavirus-anti...
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fullshark 6y ago
I love that claim because it makes it clear how many people advocating for economic restrictions due to public health concerns with COVID are fundamentally advocates for statism and seem to relish the opportunity to wield gov't control over the economy.

by dvt 6y ago

ceejayoz 6y ago

> I was under the impression that people of color are more impacted by COVID-19 due to certain health profiles (e.g. diabetes being more common in black communities than, say, Asian communities). That's one factor, but there are many. Hospitals in low income areas are not as well funded and supplied. Access to primary care may be more limited. Heavier concentrations of jobs with less ability to work from home. etc.

hutzlibu 6y ago
But that does not explain the same effect in sweden, where also the people of color were much more affected. And sweden is very homogenized, compared to US.
- SiempreViernes 6y ago
  > And sweden is very homogenized [Citation needed]
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    "The Income inequality in Sweden ranks low in the Gini coefficient, being 25.2 as of 2015 which is one of the lowest in the world" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_Sweden
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      That’s not a great measurement for homogeneity.
      - hutzlibu 6y ago
        But it's the one that matters in that context. Which was poor US areas are really poor and so are their hospitals. In sweden there are no really poor areas and no underpayed hospitals. (they are also not perfect, though)
- detaro 6y ago
  Less effective communication into immigrant communities (which might not pay attention to normal government communications, not understand the intent behind it or not even speak the language) has been cited as one of the possible reasons: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/21/sweden-coronavirus-anti-lockdown-immigrants/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/21/sweden-coronavirus-anti...
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fullshark 6y ago

I love that claim because it makes it clear how many people advocating for economic restrictions due to public health concerns with COVID are fundamentally advocates for statism and seem to relish the opportunity to wield gov't control over the economy.