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Maybe this article came about because of my tweet: https://twitter.com/sytses/status/1263216521175642112?s=20 https://twitter.com/sytses/status/1263216521175642

by sytse 6y ago

Maybe this article came about because of my tweet: https://twitter.com/sytses/status/1263216521175642112?s=20 https://twitter.com/sytses/status/1263216521175642112?s=20 “ I'm grateful for the red team at GitLab doing an amazingly realistic phishing attack https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-security/gl-redteam/red-team-tech-notes/-/tree/master/RT-011%20-%20Phishing%20Campaign https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-security/gl-redteam/red-tea... with custom domains and realistic web pages. The outcome was that 20% of team-members gave credentials and 12% reported the attack.” I think it is amazing that our res team make https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-security/gl-redteam/red-team-tech-notes/-/tree/master/RT-011%20-%20Phishing%20Campaign https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-security/gl-redteam/red-tea... public so other companies can learn from it and they where comfortable with sharing the results.

elliekelly 6y ago
I’ve seen this a lot in my work where companies hesitate to conduct phishing exercises that are “too convincing” (or, put another way, too realistic) because they fear documenting poor results. Of course that means the exercise and the learning opportunities are much less impactful. I’ll concede it’s a little different with financial institutions because regulators and auditors will usually see the results at some point but I really admire Gitlab’s commitment to transparency. I try to emphasize to clients that it’s not a test but a phishing exercise akin to a fire drill. You don’t pass or fail a fire drill - you use it assess how prepared you are for a fire. And if you find that you’re totally unprepared, well wouldn’t you prefer to figure that out before anything is actually on fire?
thomasdub 6y ago
I love the lure, and I respect the GitLab team for making it public, but this is a tough read - it’s putting way too much responsibility on the end-user. For example I’m a huge fan of security teams using email headers to analyze suspicious messages, but I think it’s a step too far to expect a user to ever look at an email header, no? We can hardly get regular end-users to hover over a link; encouraging them to open up email headers to see what service the mail was sent from, or to understand what a “received” message header vs an x-originating-ip means is counter-productive. Headers are hard to understand even for a security analyst, asking HR or Recruitment or Sales to analyze them and understand them feels like the red-team are underestimating how little time everyone has and overestimating how technical most employees are!
Jugurtha 6y ago
I'm intrigued. Why limit the experiment to 50 employees? Why not everyone except the Red Team?

by sytse 6y ago

elliekelly 6y ago

I’ve seen this a lot in my work where companies hesitate to conduct phishing exercises that are “too convincing” (or, put another way, too realistic) because they fear documenting poor results. Of course that means the exercise and the learning opportunities are much less impactful. I’ll concede it’s a little different with financial institutions because regulators and auditors will usually see the results at some point but I really admire Gitlab’s commitment to transparency. I try to emphasize to clients that it’s not a test but a phishing exercise akin to a fire drill. You don’t pass or fail a fire drill - you use it assess how prepared you are for a fire. And if you find that you’re totally unprepared, well wouldn’t you prefer to figure that out before anything is actually on fire?

thomasdub 6y ago

I love the lure, and I respect the GitLab team for making it public, but this is a tough read - it’s putting way too much responsibility on the end-user. For example I’m a huge fan of security teams using email headers to analyze suspicious messages, but I think it’s a step too far to expect a user to ever look at an email header, no? We can hardly get regular end-users to hover over a link; encouraging them to open up email headers to see what service the mail was sent from, or to understand what a “received” message header vs an x-originating-ip means is counter-productive. Headers are hard to understand even for a security analyst, asking HR or Recruitment or Sales to analyze them and understand them feels like the red-team are underestimating how little time everyone has and overestimating how technical most employees are!

Jugurtha 6y ago

I'm intrigued. Why limit the experiment to 50 employees? Why not everyone except the Red Team?