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I almost completely agree with what you say here (so upvoted) but it's what you don't say that I find disturbing. You've outlined what can be unpleasant about
by throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
I almost completely agree with what you say here (so upvoted) but it's what you don't say that I find disturbing.
You've outlined what can be unpleasant about porn (eg. slapping women or choking them, however consensual I won't watch that) but you seem blind to the (albeit simulated) violence, sadism and killing I alluded to in mainstream films which can be far, far worse. I personally know it isn't real but to borrow and slightly amend your own sentence...
"but to children where this is their first exposure to violence, they absolutely don't know what is normal and this imprinting causes harm for some"
You can see the bad parts in porn, but not see the worse in films that children are freely exposed to? How come?
- kyleee 6y agojust because you didn't recieve a reply to that portion of your comment does not mean the commenter is "blind" to those issues
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoThen then he chose to ignore the very strong point I made. Why?
- pmachinery 6y agoPossibly because it wasn't a "very strong point", it was a sarcastic two liner: > Children shouldn't be allowed to watch people being happy. We need them to stick with safe things like violence and murder. As for: > (this point has been made for decades yet somehow never sinks in with some groups and I don't understand why) I've never heard anyone make that point about pornography, only about restrictions on nudity and/or swearing on TV/movies.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoIn the US you seem more upset by sex than extreme violence. That was sarcasm but the point was real, valid and strong. > I've never heard anyone make that point about pornography Reallllly? Quick DDG immediately gets https://www.salon.com/2015/07/13/5_american_sex_norms_that_europeans_will_never_understand_partner/ https://www.salon.com/2015/07/13/5_american_sex_norms_that_e... "1. Extreme violence in the media is fine, just don’t show a nipple" Plenty of USAians make this point but you've never heard of it? Damnit, you have school shootings but sex, oh no!
- pmachinery 6y agoYour quick DDG just reinforced what I said. Try again.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoI'm honestly confused. What point are you making?
- pmachinery 6y agoWhat I said is not complicated: > I've never heard anyone make that point about pornography, only about restrictions on nudity and/or swearing on TV/movies. Your DDG search provided an example of that, yet you seemed to think it proved your point about pornography.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoWHAT POINT? "example of that" - EXAMPLE OF WHAT?
- pmachinery 6y agoWhat I quoted, obviously, which you quoted part of in your DDG post.
- tasty_freeze 6y agoThe person I replied to specifically said "I don't understand people who think this way (about porn)," and I addressed that specific point. The issues of ultraviolence in mainstream movies is its own issue and can be discussed on its own terms. Porn has its own issues and be discussed on its own terms. Yes, both are film media, but that is about all they share in common. It isn't a competition where issue #1 is more severe in some way than issue #2, therefore we can ignore issue #2.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoOK, now we get to it. > It isn't a competition where issue #1 is more severe in some way than issue #2, therefore we can ignore issue #2. I'm saying it's exactly that it is. Mainstream nonsexual violence is worse than porn (I'd claim), and I'd also claim, as evidenced by the strangely skewed responses here, that some people are blind to one nonsexual violence but oddly sensitive to the other, porn.
- tasty_freeze 6y agoIf someone has a fundraiser for cancer, do you tut tut them and say malaria kills more people than cancer, and it is disturbing that your pamphlets about your cancer cause don't even mention mosquitoes? If you think it is a competition, then OK, we simply disagree. If someone has a fundraiser for some cancer cause I may donate even though malaria kills more people every year.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoI expressed myself badly. Let me try again. "Mainstream nonsexual violence is worse than porn" is what I said. That is because 'Mainstream nonsexual violence' is bad and pornography has very little harm in it, if any, though there are areas I don't want to see (so what children may see I grant they may find disturbing in their ignorance). Whereas both cancer and malaria are unquestionably very bad things. But that you are willing to equate porn with cancer is to me most disturbing of all. Well, maybe you didn't mean it that way. I don't know. Edit: let me put it a different way; there can be no upside to cancer, unlike porn.