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All I see is a whole bunch of dollar signs floating away. It’s quite sad how effective cloud marketing penetrated the dev community.

• smitty1e 6y ago
  Do you think that the cost calculator does a poor job of estimating the financial hit? The claim is that getting out of the regular instance-and-EBS-volume architecture avoids cost. The question being whether "avoids cost" meant Amazon, or your business.
  • m0xte 6y ago
    In my case I see people skipping over things they don’t know when estimating like traffic and actual resource deployment and crap like “yeah Jenkins will be fine in a container”. Always assumptions, missing info and costs and poor understanding of it because it’s so damn complicated understanding cost. Consider traffic costing across several regions and you can regularly just piss $20k away from a small architectural decision made wrong. Estimating costs is Actually so difficult that it has almost entirely replaced the old role of license management under the lie that renting your shit monthly makes that concern go away.
    • smitty1e 6y ago
      In theory, the presence of other cloud providers should help drive costs down. "The difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than in theory."--Herb Sutter in C++ Users Journal some decades ago.
  • sokoloff 6y ago
    I think for most places and most workloads, the state of the art in cost estimation is “figure out the fixed costs, see that they’re reasonable, then launch and keep an eye on the first few bills to hope all the bandwidth and other “surcharge type” costs aren’t deal-breakers...”
    • nojito 6y ago
      This doesn’t work when the cloud marketing associates this as a “cost of doing business” Which causes revenue chasing and profit hunting to “stay alive”. Not to mention the massive startup credits issued which ensure complete and utter lock-in for the entirety of your business’s existence (successful or not).
  • nojito 6y ago
    Most companies don’t audit their cloud costs and the ones that do simply consider it the “cost of doing business” and move on. This is a terrible practice that is being pushed by the cloud vendors. It’s gotten to the point where now cloud advocates are calling AWS and others an “operating system” your business needs to perform and fulfill its vision. My company has given a hard push of lowering costs by 20% across all business lines and auditing our cloud usage has been very very shocking. I am sure as the effects of the pandemic continue, more and more companies are going to realize the same thing.
• bob1029 6y ago
  It is sad. I will say that many years ago I was stuck on the cloud bandwagon, but today if you asked me how a new business should set up their infra, I would advocate for on-prem or leasing bare metal from some provider. Just a simple way to provision and snapshot VMs is what 99% of businesses actually need. This is what most businesses have always needed. Many are still using this exact same technology today without any problems.
  • rad_gruchalski 6y ago
    After 20 years of experience and 8 “in the cloud”, I agree.
• staticassertion 6y ago
  I never have to patch my service's operating systems again, I'll pay for that.