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You are thinking of iOS. On Android using a different store or sideload is easy.

by MikusR 6y ago

worble 6y ago
>On Android using a different store or sideload is easy. Asking users to use developer mode is not easy, and a huge barrier to entry that most would just not bother and download something else from the Play Store instead.
- noisem4ker 6y ago
  Developer mode has never been required on Android. App sources are managed by regular settings (Android 8+). Before that, there was a single switch for all non-Play-Store sources. 1. User downloads an .apk using a browser 2. User tries to open it 3. Android prompts the user to allow the browser as a trusted source 4. User agrees by flipping a switch 5. Installation resumes 6. User enjoys the app https://developer.android.com/distribute/marketing-tools/alternative-distribution https://developer.android.com/distribute/marketing-tools/alt... https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/android-101-sideload-apps-by-enabling-unknown-sources-install-unknown-apps-0161947/ https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/android-101-sideload-...
  - cesarb 6y ago
    You forgot, and the users probably will forget too, to flip the switch back so that the browser is no longer a trusted source. That is, you've now increased the chance of malware being accidentally installed through the browser, since AFAIK Android will not prompt again until the switch is flipped back to "not allowed".
    - yorwba 6y ago
      Android won't tell you again that the source is untrusted and will directly show the installation dialog, but it also won't silently install a random APK, so in practice the risk of accidentally installing malware is not that high unless you have very fat fingers.
  - jraph 6y ago
    This is not a great substitute for installing through an app store because the app will not update automatically. This is, however, a great thing to have. A better substitute would be using F-Droid. By the way, some free software apps are not gratis on the Play Store but are on F-Droid. It can still be confusing to manage two app stores for some people, while installing an app from a downloaded executable is usual on Windows, so Krita probably did the right thing.
    - noisem4ker 6y ago
      Good question: why is Krita not on F-Droid? Probably a matter of time and effort, not a technical reason. I guess they sensibly got into the most visible marketplaces first.
      - hellozee 6y ago
        Exactly, it is on our plans, would take a bit of time.
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      What you say echoes my experience, I see a lot of apps on the Play store say "pay 1.99 here or get it for free on F-Droid", which is fair. I usually even pay the money even though I have F-Droid installed, just to support the dev.
hellozee 6y ago
Not for chromebooks, unfortunately
- smitop 6y ago
  You can sideload on Chromebooks if you enable developer mode. But enabling developer mode wipes all data on the system and displays a warning message on boot.
  - lucb1e 6y ago
    So Chromebooks only let you run software that a Google employee approved, unless you wipe your device to enable developer mode (which nobody, after using it for a while and then deciding to develop something, will want to do)? There is no other way to run some test code on it? I didn't know that and it seems strange (even Android is more liberal than that, and that's not a laptop) so genuine question.
    - esrauch 6y ago
      I think wiping a Chromebook isn't as problematic as wiping another computer. The OS settings and apps can fully sync, and almost all apps autosync all data to the cloud.

You are thinking of iOS. On Android using a different store or sideload is easy.

by MikusR 6y ago

You are thinking of iOS. On Android using a different store or sideload is easy.

>On Android using a different store or sideload is easy. Asking users to use developer mode is not easy, and a huge barrier to entry that most would just not bother and download something else from the Play Store instead.

noisem4ker 6y ago
Developer mode has never been required on Android. App sources are managed by regular settings (Android 8+). Before that, there was a single switch for all non-Play-Store sources. 1. User downloads an .apk using a browser 2. User tries to open it 3. Android prompts the user to allow the browser as a trusted source 4. User agrees by flipping a switch 5. Installation resumes 6. User enjoys the app https://developer.android.com/distribute/marketing-tools/alternative-distribution https://developer.android.com/distribute/marketing-tools/alt... https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/android-101-sideload-apps-by-enabling-unknown-sources-install-unknown-apps-0161947/ https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/android-101-sideload-...
- cesarb 6y ago
  You forgot, and the users probably will forget too, to flip the switch back so that the browser is no longer a trusted source. That is, you've now increased the chance of malware being accidentally installed through the browser, since AFAIK Android will not prompt again until the switch is flipped back to "not allowed".
  - yorwba 6y ago
    Android won't tell you again that the source is untrusted and will directly show the installation dialog, but it also won't silently install a random APK, so in practice the risk of accidentally installing malware is not that high unless you have very fat fingers.
- jraph 6y ago
  This is not a great substitute for installing through an app store because the app will not update automatically. This is, however, a great thing to have. A better substitute would be using F-Droid. By the way, some free software apps are not gratis on the Play Store but are on F-Droid. It can still be confusing to manage two app stores for some people, while installing an app from a downloaded executable is usual on Windows, so Krita probably did the right thing.
  - noisem4ker 6y ago
    Good question: why is Krita not on F-Droid? Probably a matter of time and effort, not a technical reason. I guess they sensibly got into the most visible marketplaces first.
    - hellozee 6y ago
      Exactly, it is on our plans, would take a bit of time.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    What you say echoes my experience, I see a lot of apps on the Play store say "pay 1.99 here or get it for free on F-Droid", which is fair. I usually even pay the money even though I have F-Droid installed, just to support the dev.

hellozee 6y ago

Not for chromebooks, unfortunately

smitop 6y ago
You can sideload on Chromebooks if you enable developer mode. But enabling developer mode wipes all data on the system and displays a warning message on boot.
- lucb1e 6y ago
  So Chromebooks only let you run software that a Google employee approved, unless you wipe your device to enable developer mode (which nobody, after using it for a while and then deciding to develop something, will want to do)? There is no other way to run some test code on it? I didn't know that and it seems strange (even Android is more liberal than that, and that's not a laptop) so genuine question.
  - esrauch 6y ago
    I think wiping a Chromebook isn't as problematic as wiping another computer. The OS settings and apps can fully sync, and almost all apps autosync all data to the cloud.