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Doesn't say she uttered anything out loud about what a garbage laptop it is. But why not? At that point, I'd rather just bring my own hardware. I'd rather have

Doesn't say she uttered anything out loud about what a garbage laptop it is. But why not? At that point, I'd rather just bring my own hardware. I'd rather have just about anything else, a less powerful Macbook Air, a Thinkpad, a Dell XPS, almost anything. I'll take a wired keyboard ducttaped on top of the Macbook. Touchbar MacBooks are just one more sign of a bureaucratic company that cannot functionally empower any single person who gives enough of a shit to recognize that a lot of people hate the Touchbar. Nope, just someone signs off, "Yeah whatever get them the expensive one, it must be better."

qeternity 6y ago
You accidentally nailed it though: she didn’t try to fix anything. She was given some kit that most people are happy with, and didn’t try to change the situation. She went and sulked. You’re assuming the company wouldn’t have offered an alternative if she requested it, but I guarantee that they would have gotten her something else.
- isoskeles 6y ago
  She either "whined" immediately upon getting her laptop, how dare she. Or she "sulked" and didn't try to fix anything. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
  - qeternity 6y ago
    What? How are those two remotely collectively exhaustive? Let's give her the benefit of the doubt and presume this company really has some issues. Another approach would be to accept that companies can't cater generic HR processes to every single employee, complete the "bullshit" tasks as best she can (as she will likely be required to many times again throughout her life) and then raise the issue with the appropriate team at a later date. People encounter these things with comical frequency when starting a new job that it's basically a meme...however most people manage to get things sorted out.
    - isoskeles 6y ago
      Collectively exhaustive? I'm just summarizing the two direct replies I've gotten, both of which are making assumptions about what her behaviors must have been on her first day. They're diametric opposites, silently sulking or loudly whining. I think the OP can be criticized at a basic level of being overly negative as well as being a personal rant rather than anything particularly insightful for HN. Rachelbythebay had a bad experience at some job and feels like the onboarding experience was a big red flag--that doesn't offer us much to learn. And that's fine, I can see a criticism of the post like that and half-agree. Maybe it's not for HN, and that is her own personal blog, so it fits that she might write posts on her blog that can miss the mark here. Making assumptions about her exact behaviors beyond what was written in the article, that's just weird to me. It's an odd defensive position you're taking in which you don't like the post so you have to defend the company by making shit up. "She must have been sulking silently!" Interesting, tell me more about this moody, sulking woman. What else did she do wrong?
      - qeternity 6y ago
        > GROAN. > After another hour of this, I had enough. > I wound up camped like a refugee I'm not assuming anything. She spells it out right there in TFA. This is the definition of sulking. > Interesting, tell me more about this moody, sulking woman. Not sure why you're so intent on this gender strawman. Just because she's a woman does not absolve her of bad behavior. I never said she was moody. I don't know her in the least bit. What I do know is that she handled this situation poorly, but is undoubtedly emboldened by people like you who will trip over yourself to play the gender card.
  - hjek 6y ago
    Thank you so much for pointing this out. The whole thread is full of toxic and judgemental comments. I enjoyed reading her post but I am put off by the absence of empathy in the comments here. Imagine being the author and reading this comment section where you're called out as a "whining", "autistic", "lame", "entitled" "tech-fetishist with poor communication skills" who is "not taking responsibility". Am I wrong if I pick up a vibe of misogyny as well?
    - qeternity 6y ago
      > Am I wrong if I pick up a vibe of misogyny as well? Half the comments are incorrectly saying "he" so no, you're not (perhaps for assuming gender, not for the critiques though). But nice try.
      - hjek 6y ago
        > Half the comments are incorrectly saying "he" so no Let's exclude that half (?!) and look at the others then which may very well be. Also, I couldn't find any of those comments referring to the author as "he" / "him". Would you mind please pointing me to one?
  - heyoni 6y ago
    I’ve never heard of any tech company that doesn’t give you a choice. That is of course, unless they don’t use Windows organization wide. But besides, she’s getting a computer from her company, not her grandma on Christmas. They hire devs by the handful, they can easily take it back and put it to use. The point is, it’s hard to sympathize unless her supervisors turned her down. I agree though, orientation is boring and I’ve never gone to one in my life. I didn’t know until my senior year in college that I had been assigned an advisor. But then just skip it, and try to forget it. Don’t skip it just to linger on every horrible detail, and spiral deeper into a depression because you weren’t assigned a desk. Ask for one. Damned if you don’t. No one will hate you for making perfectly reasonable requests, though I’m sure people like that exist in the world, I just don’t see them in this story.
wdb 6y ago
How's it different from companies that give you a Dell notebook or Windows notebook? The best solution would be to give the new employee the option between a Mac and Windows. Amazing solution would if you then could pick your preference from a small list. E.g. MacBook Air, MBP and a Surface or something.

qeternity 6y ago

You accidentally nailed it though: she didn’t try to fix anything. She was given some kit that most people are happy with, and didn’t try to change the situation. She went and sulked. You’re assuming the company wouldn’t have offered an alternative if she requested it, but I guarantee that they would have gotten her something else.

isoskeles 6y ago
She either "whined" immediately upon getting her laptop, how dare she. Or she "sulked" and didn't try to fix anything. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
- qeternity 6y ago
  What? How are those two remotely collectively exhaustive? Let's give her the benefit of the doubt and presume this company really has some issues. Another approach would be to accept that companies can't cater generic HR processes to every single employee, complete the "bullshit" tasks as best she can (as she will likely be required to many times again throughout her life) and then raise the issue with the appropriate team at a later date. People encounter these things with comical frequency when starting a new job that it's basically a meme...however most people manage to get things sorted out.
  - isoskeles 6y ago
    Collectively exhaustive? I'm just summarizing the two direct replies I've gotten, both of which are making assumptions about what her behaviors must have been on her first day. They're diametric opposites, silently sulking or loudly whining. I think the OP can be criticized at a basic level of being overly negative as well as being a personal rant rather than anything particularly insightful for HN. Rachelbythebay had a bad experience at some job and feels like the onboarding experience was a big red flag--that doesn't offer us much to learn. And that's fine, I can see a criticism of the post like that and half-agree. Maybe it's not for HN, and that is her own personal blog, so it fits that she might write posts on her blog that can miss the mark here. Making assumptions about her exact behaviors beyond what was written in the article, that's just weird to me. It's an odd defensive position you're taking in which you don't like the post so you have to defend the company by making shit up. "She must have been sulking silently!" Interesting, tell me more about this moody, sulking woman. What else did she do wrong?
    - qeternity 6y ago
      > GROAN. > After another hour of this, I had enough. > I wound up camped like a refugee I'm not assuming anything. She spells it out right there in TFA. This is the definition of sulking. > Interesting, tell me more about this moody, sulking woman. Not sure why you're so intent on this gender strawman. Just because she's a woman does not absolve her of bad behavior. I never said she was moody. I don't know her in the least bit. What I do know is that she handled this situation poorly, but is undoubtedly emboldened by people like you who will trip over yourself to play the gender card.
- hjek 6y ago
  Thank you so much for pointing this out. The whole thread is full of toxic and judgemental comments. I enjoyed reading her post but I am put off by the absence of empathy in the comments here. Imagine being the author and reading this comment section where you're called out as a "whining", "autistic", "lame", "entitled" "tech-fetishist with poor communication skills" who is "not taking responsibility". Am I wrong if I pick up a vibe of misogyny as well?
  - qeternity 6y ago
    > Am I wrong if I pick up a vibe of misogyny as well? Half the comments are incorrectly saying "he" so no, you're not (perhaps for assuming gender, not for the critiques though). But nice try.
    - hjek 6y ago
      > Half the comments are incorrectly saying "he" so no Let's exclude that half (?!) and look at the others then which may very well be. Also, I couldn't find any of those comments referring to the author as "he" / "him". Would you mind please pointing me to one?
- heyoni 6y ago
  I’ve never heard of any tech company that doesn’t give you a choice. That is of course, unless they don’t use Windows organization wide. But besides, she’s getting a computer from her company, not her grandma on Christmas. They hire devs by the handful, they can easily take it back and put it to use. The point is, it’s hard to sympathize unless her supervisors turned her down. I agree though, orientation is boring and I’ve never gone to one in my life. I didn’t know until my senior year in college that I had been assigned an advisor. But then just skip it, and try to forget it. Don’t skip it just to linger on every horrible detail, and spiral deeper into a depression because you weren’t assigned a desk. Ask for one. Damned if you don’t. No one will hate you for making perfectly reasonable requests, though I’m sure people like that exist in the world, I just don’t see them in this story.

wdb 6y ago

How's it different from companies that give you a Dell notebook or Windows notebook? The best solution would be to give the new employee the option between a Mac and Windows. Amazing solution would if you then could pick your preference from a small list. E.g. MacBook Air, MBP and a Surface or something.