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Previous answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23270816 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23270816

by billme 6y ago

rmrfstar 6y ago
As with all questions constitutional law, it is not possible to make such a broad statement [1]. We are going to end up with some really weird law if we leave all of this up to the supreme court. At this point the dynamic is: congress gives the IC whatever it asks for, and sometimes the supreme court walks them back a little. We need to get congress to regulate this stuff... pronto. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/supreme-court-warrants-cell-phone-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/supreme-court...
- billme 6y ago
  >> “ We are going to end up with some really weird law if we leave all of this up to the supreme court.“ That’s a pretty bold claim, one which I am not aware of any examples of. High courts of any meaningful definition of such, regardless of country, if truly a legal court with fair rules, generally produce much clearly rules than those create by: general public, elected officials, professional governments employees, interest groups, private parties, etc. For example, take a few mins, even hours, try drafting what to you would be fair, clear, complete, stand the test of time, etc. — then post it somewhere online, post in to HN, and comment here you have. I’ll review it, post my review online.
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antpls 6y ago
I understand from this link that they can look into cloud-uploaded browsing history without warrant, but not into the local history stored on the phone
- billme 6y ago
  Correct, unless you give your phone to a third-party - for example, to get repaired: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/geek-squads-relationship-fbi-cozier-we-thought https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/geek-squads-relationsh...
- mrfusion 6y ago
  Do phones upload your browsing history to the cloud? That seems unnecessary.

Previous answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23270816 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23270816

by billme 6y ago

Previous answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23270816 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23270816

As with all questions constitutional law, it is not possible to make such a broad statement [1]. We are going to end up with some really weird law if we leave all of this up to the supreme court. At this point the dynamic is: congress gives the IC whatever it asks for, and sometimes the supreme court walks them back a little. We need to get congress to regulate this stuff... pronto. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/supreme-court-warrants-cell-phone-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/supreme-court...

billme 6y ago
>> “ We are going to end up with some really weird law if we leave all of this up to the supreme court.“ That’s a pretty bold claim, one which I am not aware of any examples of. High courts of any meaningful definition of such, regardless of country, if truly a legal court with fair rules, generally produce much clearly rules than those create by: general public, elected officials, professional governments employees, interest groups, private parties, etc. For example, take a few mins, even hours, try drafting what to you would be fair, clear, complete, stand the test of time, etc. — then post it somewhere online, post in to HN, and comment here you have. I’ll review it, post my review online.
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antpls 6y ago

I understand from this link that they can look into cloud-uploaded browsing history without warrant, but not into the local history stored on the phone

billme 6y ago
Correct, unless you give your phone to a third-party - for example, to get repaired: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/geek-squads-relationship-fbi-cozier-we-thought https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/geek-squads-relationsh...
mrfusion 6y ago
Do phones upload your browsing history to the cloud? That seems unnecessary.