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>Windows has no Unix underneath it plus it contains ads in the start menu. For me, it's just not a serious option for real work. The start menu can be customiz

>Windows has no Unix underneath it plus it contains ads in the start menu. For me, it's just not a serious option for real work. The start menu can be customized to turn all of that off. If you want to pin your own things to it, you can. WSL2 is going to drop soon. Looks like a good move by Microsoft. What kind of work do you do exactly that disqualifies Windows from being a "serious option for real work"?

jolux 6y ago
It has telemetry that you can’t turn off without hacking the registry. And I use macOS because I don’t have to tell the OS to get its bullshit ads out of the main menu, because that’s not even a supported feature.
- nailer 6y ago
  The parent was talking about ads, which are obviously completely different than telemetry. But here's Apple's telemetry policy: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ See 'Collection and Use of Non-Personal Information'
  - jolux 6y ago
    I see the telemetry as coterminous with the ads: something Microsoft is doing because they know their customers are trapped. My day job has been line of business .NET for two years, and my personal machine is a Mac. The amount of crap I have to slog through on Windows is insulting and ridiculous. Every time I think about getting a new personal machine to run Windows I remember all that crap and the thought passes. A real shame, too. MS is making all the right moves technologically speaking right now. Thankfully my latest machine has Enterprise and our AD disables most of it. Apple’s analytics are not comparable.
    - qubex 6y ago
      > coterminous Ooh, new word. Haven’t seen a new word in months!
    - nailer 6y ago
      > The amount of crap I have to slog through on Windows is insulting and ridiculous. Really? I spent two minutes removing some default start menu items. My mac continually sent me pop ups insisting I use the Apple version of every product.
      - jolux 6y ago
        I had to jump through a load of hoops to get Windows to stop nagging me to use OneDrive. What popups does the Mac send you? I’ve never seen one like you say.
        nailer 6y ago
        Do you use Chrome? You should at minimum see popups advertising Safari.
        jolux 6y ago
        the first time I opened it I got one asking me if I wanted to make it my default web browser, which said that Safari was currently the default. But that’s not a nag, it will happen whenever a process requests to become the default browser. Other than that, no. I do use uBlock Origin though so if it’s stuff on the web I likely don’t see it. What are you seeing?
        nailer 6y ago
        2018 MBP, Catalina, popups from Apple in the OS (not the browser) saying I should use Safari every few months.
        jolux 6y ago
        Huh. That sucks. It seems like some people do have this issue: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-turn-off-the-try-the-new-safari-notification https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-... I honestly don’t see it on my machine though.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
  That doesn’t stop anyone from doing “real” work. Stop trying to pass your overly nerdy preferences as universal.
  - jolux 6y ago
    That’s a cop out. It doesn’t stop me from doing real work but I shouldn’t have to deal with it. I don’t think anyone asked for ads in Windows, it doesn’t take a nerd to want something I paid for to not include nagware.
danlugo92 6y ago
Oh c'mon now. > The start menu can be customized to turn all of that off. If you want to pin your own things to it, you can. Shouldn't be there in the first place, including all of the other advertising and telemetry. > WSL2 is going to drop soon. Looks like a good move by Microsoft. It'll be always a hack. Will never beat native Unix. > What kind of work do you do exactly that disqualifies Windows from being a "serious option for real work"? WSL is a hack, NTFS chokes on small files (web dev), advertising and telemetry. Also, you're computer randomly shutting off and locking itself up, jesus christ what the fuck (TBH MacOS also has this but it's 100x easier to disable).
- kyriakos 6y ago
  If you put it like that whole Linux is a hack and that's a good thing, that's what makes it good.

jolux 6y ago

It has telemetry that you can’t turn off without hacking the registry. And I use macOS because I don’t have to tell the OS to get its bullshit ads out of the main menu, because that’s not even a supported feature.

nailer 6y ago
The parent was talking about ads, which are obviously completely different than telemetry. But here's Apple's telemetry policy: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ See 'Collection and Use of Non-Personal Information'
- jolux 6y ago
  I see the telemetry as coterminous with the ads: something Microsoft is doing because they know their customers are trapped. My day job has been line of business .NET for two years, and my personal machine is a Mac. The amount of crap I have to slog through on Windows is insulting and ridiculous. Every time I think about getting a new personal machine to run Windows I remember all that crap and the thought passes. A real shame, too. MS is making all the right moves technologically speaking right now. Thankfully my latest machine has Enterprise and our AD disables most of it. Apple’s analytics are not comparable.
  - qubex 6y ago
    > coterminous Ooh, new word. Haven’t seen a new word in months!
  - nailer 6y ago
    > The amount of crap I have to slog through on Windows is insulting and ridiculous. Really? I spent two minutes removing some default start menu items. My mac continually sent me pop ups insisting I use the Apple version of every product.
    - jolux 6y ago
      I had to jump through a load of hoops to get Windows to stop nagging me to use OneDrive. What popups does the Mac send you? I’ve never seen one like you say.
      - nailer 6y ago
        Do you use Chrome? You should at minimum see popups advertising Safari.
        jolux 6y ago
        the first time I opened it I got one asking me if I wanted to make it my default web browser, which said that Safari was currently the default. But that’s not a nag, it will happen whenever a process requests to become the default browser. Other than that, no. I do use uBlock Origin though so if it’s stuff on the web I likely don’t see it. What are you seeing?
        nailer 6y ago
        2018 MBP, Catalina, popups from Apple in the OS (not the browser) saying I should use Safari every few months.
        jolux 6y ago
        Huh. That sucks. It seems like some people do have this issue: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-turn-off-the-try-the-new-safari-notification https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-... I honestly don’t see it on my machine though.
ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
That doesn’t stop anyone from doing “real” work. Stop trying to pass your overly nerdy preferences as universal.
- jolux 6y ago
  That’s a cop out. It doesn’t stop me from doing real work but I shouldn’t have to deal with it. I don’t think anyone asked for ads in Windows, it doesn’t take a nerd to want something I paid for to not include nagware.

danlugo92 6y ago

Oh c'mon now. > The start menu can be customized to turn all of that off. If you want to pin your own things to it, you can. Shouldn't be there in the first place, including all of the other advertising and telemetry. > WSL2 is going to drop soon. Looks like a good move by Microsoft. It'll be always a hack. Will never beat native Unix. > What kind of work do you do exactly that disqualifies Windows from being a "serious option for real work"? WSL is a hack, NTFS chokes on small files (web dev), advertising and telemetry. Also, you're computer randomly shutting off and locking itself up, jesus christ what the fuck (TBH MacOS also has this but it's 100x easier to disable).

kyriakos 6y ago
If you put it like that whole Linux is a hack and that's a good thing, that's what makes it good.