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I went through the same cycle or frustration from apple products, I've bought 6 laptops in the past year trying out all of the competition. The truth is, all of

I went through the same cycle or frustration from apple products, I've bought 6 laptops in the past year trying out all of the competition. The truth is, all of the alternatives, as frustrating as apple products can be, are just not as good. And that's by a very very long shot. However fucked apple products are, the competition is FAR behind. So I just swallow it and keep biting the bullet. That only applies if you want a LAPTOP, if you can live in with something fixed to a desk, there's plenty of viable better alternatives out there.

m0xte 6y ago
I disagree. I got rid of a 2013 MBP and a 2019 MBA and went back to a thinkpad T470 running Windows 10. 300% less of a pain in the ass. Keyboard works reliably and isn’t horrible, doesn’t get ridiculously hot, actually has enough USB holes, can actually drive it from the keyboard without tying my fingers in knots, battery lasts longer, less fighting against the OS, less bugs (that one hurt to write) and it doesn’t give me a rash that bleeds on my wrists. CPU, memory, storage is about the same as a high end MBA. Display is 1080p so runs at 125% scale which is pretty good. If I break it I just get another one off eBay in 48h turnaround for less than the price of just a new screen for the MBA. Oh and it docks too and I get triple head displays...
- anorphirith 6y ago
  I tried a Thinkpad X1C7 for a couple months, it's an amazing machine but as long as they don't fix their awful, life sucking synaptics trackpads and poor linux integration (mostly battery management). I consider it unusable.
- fmajid 6y ago
  LG Gram 17. 20% better single-thread performance than the MBP16 at half the price, and much lighter to boot. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/2261388?baseline=1768991 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/2261388?baselin... Sure, the keyboard is not as good as a Thinkpad, but still way better than the disgrace in the 16” MBP (just because it’s not an abomination like the butterfly keyboard doesn’t mean it is any good, anyone who says otherwise is suffering from Stockholm syndrome).
- danlugo92 6y ago
  You're right about everything except high dpi handling. Also can't beat Apple on trackpad and screen quality.
  - m0xte 6y ago
    I hardly miss the Retina display. The 1080p display with 125% scaling is good enough. It’s not spectacular but fine for a laptop. The trackpad I didn’t like on the MacBook either. I found it made my finger tips sore after a few hours. I’m using the TrackPoint on the T470 and have the touchpad disabled
- armandhammer 6y ago
  "can actually drive it from the keyboard without tying my fingers in knots" How is the Mac's ability to natively edit ANY Keyboard Shortcut in ANY app and across the entire system not years ahead of anything that Windows 10 can do?
erik_seaberg 6y ago
Desktops are cheaper, more powerful, and more comfortable than anything portable. But you need a laptop for live meetings or running errands while on-call, so most companies just get you one big one to use for everything. Rather than making a half-baked desktop by adding peripherals to a laptop, I wish I could get something like a Chromebook that just has LTE and an X server to remote into some Real Computers™.

m0xte 6y ago

I disagree. I got rid of a 2013 MBP and a 2019 MBA and went back to a thinkpad T470 running Windows 10. 300% less of a pain in the ass. Keyboard works reliably and isn’t horrible, doesn’t get ridiculously hot, actually has enough USB holes, can actually drive it from the keyboard without tying my fingers in knots, battery lasts longer, less fighting against the OS, less bugs (that one hurt to write) and it doesn’t give me a rash that bleeds on my wrists. CPU, memory, storage is about the same as a high end MBA. Display is 1080p so runs at 125% scale which is pretty good. If I break it I just get another one off eBay in 48h turnaround for less than the price of just a new screen for the MBA. Oh and it docks too and I get triple head displays...

anorphirith 6y ago
I tried a Thinkpad X1C7 for a couple months, it's an amazing machine but as long as they don't fix their awful, life sucking synaptics trackpads and poor linux integration (mostly battery management). I consider it unusable.
fmajid 6y ago
LG Gram 17. 20% better single-thread performance than the MBP16 at half the price, and much lighter to boot. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/2261388?baseline=1768991 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/2261388?baselin... Sure, the keyboard is not as good as a Thinkpad, but still way better than the disgrace in the 16” MBP (just because it’s not an abomination like the butterfly keyboard doesn’t mean it is any good, anyone who says otherwise is suffering from Stockholm syndrome).
danlugo92 6y ago
You're right about everything except high dpi handling. Also can't beat Apple on trackpad and screen quality.
- m0xte 6y ago
  I hardly miss the Retina display. The 1080p display with 125% scaling is good enough. It’s not spectacular but fine for a laptop. The trackpad I didn’t like on the MacBook either. I found it made my finger tips sore after a few hours. I’m using the TrackPoint on the T470 and have the touchpad disabled
armandhammer 6y ago
"can actually drive it from the keyboard without tying my fingers in knots" How is the Mac's ability to natively edit ANY Keyboard Shortcut in ANY app and across the entire system not years ahead of anything that Windows 10 can do?

erik_seaberg 6y ago

Desktops are cheaper, more powerful, and more comfortable than anything portable. But you need a laptop for live meetings or running errands while on-call, so most companies just get you one big one to use for everything. Rather than making a half-baked desktop by adding peripherals to a laptop, I wish I could get something like a Chromebook that just has LTE and an X server to remote into some Real Computers™.