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"The only way the government could've saved restaurants, nail salons, et al. from suffering similar fate would be by suppressing all information about the virus

"The only way the government could've saved restaurants, nail salons, et al. from suffering similar fate would be by suppressing all information about the virus and going to full denial mode. Otherwise, the customer base would've mostly evaporated" To me it seems this claim contradicts what actually happens in places that didn't impose lockdown or lifted lockdown earlier. To give one example, here's a video from Sweden's bars and restaurants: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/newsbeat-52618788/coronavirus-how-sweden-is-keeping-its-pubs-and-bars-open https://www.bbc.com/news/av/newsbeat-52618788/coronavirus-ho... A pedestrian street in Stockholm on Apr. 1: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2020/04/01/TELEMMGLPICT000228902301_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqt7YuOpTV-OCUjzn11uechNSi7-SoHEG4mrcpQ7yfjCk.jpeg?imwidth=1400 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2020/04/01/TELE... A market in Malmo during the pandemic Apr. 24: https://media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/sourced/s3/2020-04/reuters_sweden_coronavirus_24Apr20.JPG?itok=XQOMAbDd https://media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/s... 5000 gather to see a concert in Tel Aviv: https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/05/coronakoncert.jpg https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/05/coronak... (https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-pack-tel-aviv-concert-in-push-for-return-to-normalcy/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-pack-tel-aviv-concer...)

mattigames 6y ago
...those 5000 were today, _after_ they reached the milestone of only 18 new daily cases thanks to lock-down along other measures. The average health of swedish people is miles ahead of americans, less overweight, less diabetes, less opiod addiction, less hard drugs (cocaine, meth, etc), more average life expectancy, so yeah I'm not sure you are comparing apples-to-apples here. Also the population density in NY is 26400 vs 4800 in sweden, so you could say NY is a "special case" but when you start analyzing each situation a lot of more "special cases" not seen in sweden start to appear in the US.
- myk9001 6y ago
  "I'm not sure you are comparing apples-to-apples here." You are right. I don't think anyone knows exactly what makes certain places suffer more than others from the virus. I wasn't trying to compare, though. My point is people still go to restaurants, nail salons, et al. during the pandemic. So the claim about evaporating custom base doesn't seem to be grounded in reality. Remember that video with Italian majors loosing their cool? One of them was mad at people breaking the lockdown rules to get a haircut. https://youtu.be/Uo2clI631uA?t=37 https://youtu.be/Uo2clI631uA?t=37
  - mikem170 6y ago
    >I don't think anyone knows exactly what makes certain places suffer more than others from the virus. Perhaps different strains of the virus explain this? Found an article that mentioned a dominant strain infecting Europe and parts of Asia [1]. Maybe other areas have a strain that is not as dangerous? [1] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-there-more-than-one-strain-of-the-new-coronavirus https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-there-more-than...

mattigames 6y ago

...those 5000 were today, _after_ they reached the milestone of only 18 new daily cases thanks to lock-down along other measures. The average health of swedish people is miles ahead of americans, less overweight, less diabetes, less opiod addiction, less hard drugs (cocaine, meth, etc), more average life expectancy, so yeah I'm not sure you are comparing apples-to-apples here. Also the population density in NY is 26400 vs 4800 in sweden, so you could say NY is a "special case" but when you start analyzing each situation a lot of more "special cases" not seen in sweden start to appear in the US.

myk9001 6y ago
"I'm not sure you are comparing apples-to-apples here." You are right. I don't think anyone knows exactly what makes certain places suffer more than others from the virus. I wasn't trying to compare, though. My point is people still go to restaurants, nail salons, et al. during the pandemic. So the claim about evaporating custom base doesn't seem to be grounded in reality. Remember that video with Italian majors loosing their cool? One of them was mad at people breaking the lockdown rules to get a haircut. https://youtu.be/Uo2clI631uA?t=37 https://youtu.be/Uo2clI631uA?t=37
- mikem170 6y ago
  >I don't think anyone knows exactly what makes certain places suffer more than others from the virus. Perhaps different strains of the virus explain this? Found an article that mentioned a dominant strain infecting Europe and parts of Asia [1]. Maybe other areas have a strain that is not as dangerous? [1] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-there-more-than-one-strain-of-the-new-coronavirus https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-there-more-than...