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Yeah, the transparent modern panopticon. They think that when people feel watched produce more. Im in no way more productive this way. I have to make a hard eff

Yeah, the transparent modern panopticon. They think that when people feel watched produce more. Im in no way more productive this way. I have to make a hard effort to zone out into coding, and this effort is consuming a lot of energy in itself. I think its our time to bargain and not allow this to happen when we all go back to work. I hope for partial or full time work from home setup. The value extraction machine should keep that in mind

itronitron 6y ago
If people feel that they are being constantly watched then it also provides them an incentive to hire coworkers who will make them look good by comparison.
ken 6y ago
> I think its our time to bargain If only there were some sort of organization that would enable us to do this collectively!
- pmiller2 6y ago
  You mean some sort of organization where workers unite to advance their common interests?
  - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
    why the unnecessary obscurity?
    - dvtrn 6y ago
      Please don’t reduce talks of worker collective action into a shibboleth of “%online_community% is turning into Reddit”. We can do better than that. Like supporting collective worker action.
      - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
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        dvtrn 6y ago
        You’re certainly free to clear up what you were referring to versus being intentionally vague, but instead of a protracted debate over unclear drafting versus poor reading comprehension, let’s just get back on topic: Do you think collective worker action is a valid path to take during this pandemic to improve working conditions as areas consider reopening and lifting quarantine restrictions? I do, and I agree with others who say this opportunity is a good one to explore some of those options and begin having some of those dialogues to build effective coalitions.
        citizenkeen 6y ago
        I'm not who you're responding to, but I agree with you completely. I just wish the posts upthread hadn't cluttered up the thread with vague dance-around-the-subject language, instead of just stating what they thought and why they thought it.
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        M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
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        dvtrn 6y ago
        I apologize if asking for your opinion on unionization was read as having made the assumption that you were full-on against unionization, the purpose of me asking for your input was a precise attempt to avoid assuming what your opinions were. If that’s what you thought I said, then this is on me to phrase myself better in the future.
      - 6y ago
    - mdturnerphys 6y ago
      From the HN guidelines: Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
        ha, thanks. I’ll fix it now.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - dvtrn 6y ago
    Since the other comment where I replied trying to unpacking these two comments got flag-killed and it seems some are haranguing over the stylistics of the posts here, let me try running with this: I think workspace design and office ergonomics are a potentially easy win for collective bargaining in the information workforce, especially now-as stated by others this is a unique opportunity and in my opinion the incentives align between worker productivity and public health. Interested to hear more thoughts. Edit: oh. This one flag killed too. Never mind.

itronitron 6y ago

If people feel that they are being constantly watched then it also provides them an incentive to hire coworkers who will make them look good by comparison.

ken 6y ago

> I think its our time to bargain If only there were some sort of organization that would enable us to do this collectively!

pmiller2 6y ago
You mean some sort of organization where workers unite to advance their common interests?
- M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
  why the unnecessary obscurity?
  - dvtrn 6y ago
    Please don’t reduce talks of worker collective action into a shibboleth of “%online_community% is turning into Reddit”. We can do better than that. Like supporting collective worker action.
    - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
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      - dvtrn 6y ago
        You’re certainly free to clear up what you were referring to versus being intentionally vague, but instead of a protracted debate over unclear drafting versus poor reading comprehension, let’s just get back on topic: Do you think collective worker action is a valid path to take during this pandemic to improve working conditions as areas consider reopening and lifting quarantine restrictions? I do, and I agree with others who say this opportunity is a good one to explore some of those options and begin having some of those dialogues to build effective coalitions.
        citizenkeen 6y ago
        I'm not who you're responding to, but I agree with you completely. I just wish the posts upthread hadn't cluttered up the thread with vague dance-around-the-subject language, instead of just stating what they thought and why they thought it.
        deleted 6y ago
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        M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
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        dvtrn 6y ago
        I apologize if asking for your opinion on unionization was read as having made the assumption that you were full-on against unionization, the purpose of me asking for your input was a precise attempt to avoid assuming what your opinions were. If that’s what you thought I said, then this is on me to phrase myself better in the future.
    - 6y ago
  - mdturnerphys 6y ago
    From the HN guidelines: Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
      ha, thanks. I’ll fix it now.
- deleted 6y ago
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- dvtrn 6y ago
  Since the other comment where I replied trying to unpacking these two comments got flag-killed and it seems some are haranguing over the stylistics of the posts here, let me try running with this: I think workspace design and office ergonomics are a potentially easy win for collective bargaining in the information workforce, especially now-as stated by others this is a unique opportunity and in my opinion the incentives align between worker productivity and public health. Interested to hear more thoughts. Edit: oh. This one flag killed too. Never mind.