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Longtime Linux user (Manjaro) and I never thought I'd see the day when I could pitch it as noticeably superior to MacOS, considering Apple's once-legendary atte

Longtime Linux user (Manjaro) and I never thought I'd see the day when I could pitch it as noticeably superior to MacOS, considering Apple's once-legendary attention to user interfaces. It seems like those days are behind us, now. Linux as an actually better experience, without gigantic embarrassing flubs like this, is looking better by the day.

cerberusss 6y ago
A slowdown when you run an app for the first time, for security reasons -- I wouldn't categorize that as a "gigantic embarrassing flub". I haven't noticed it, actually. But I don't run new apps every day.
- julianeon 6y ago
  I think you're misunderstanding the problem, respectfully. This is not a problem for end users. This is a problem for developers - and a gigantic, embarrassing flub is justified for something as bad as this. Think that's hyperbole? Look at this, from the link: > The first time a user runs a new executable, Apple delays execution while waiting for a reply from their server. This check for me takes close to a second. > This is not just for files downloaded from the internet... this is everything. So even if you write a one line shell script and run it in a terminal, you will get a delay! Consider a developer in this situation. If your job involves lots of scripting - not unusual, for a dev - and you create dozens of scripts a day, or more - every single one will take about a second, and up to 7 seconds (!) to run, that first time you run it. And that could easily happen upwards of a dozen times a day, because it will happen for each script you create. That's pretty terrible, for a developer. I don't think you can normalize startup times, for some hacky script, of 1 second as pretty okay or not noticeable. Certainly not if you're talking about a high end work machine. Times that bad are associated with some junk laptop that's 15 years old - that's not supposed to be Apple. Even if you build apps (I do), you might have the need to create scripts now and then, possibly even a lot of them (I do, for testing). I don't consider it acceptable to wait 1 sec+ each time I run one. It really does suggest that Apple has gotten extremely careless about their developer audience. So, yeah - compared to that, Linux performs way better, and looks like a premium work machine by comparison.

cerberusss 6y ago

A slowdown when you run an app for the first time, for security reasons -- I wouldn't categorize that as a "gigantic embarrassing flub". I haven't noticed it, actually. But I don't run new apps every day.

julianeon 6y ago
I think you're misunderstanding the problem, respectfully. This is not a problem for end users. This is a problem for developers - and a gigantic, embarrassing flub is justified for something as bad as this. Think that's hyperbole? Look at this, from the link: > The first time a user runs a new executable, Apple delays execution while waiting for a reply from their server. This check for me takes close to a second. > This is not just for files downloaded from the internet... this is everything. So even if you write a one line shell script and run it in a terminal, you will get a delay! Consider a developer in this situation. If your job involves lots of scripting - not unusual, for a dev - and you create dozens of scripts a day, or more - every single one will take about a second, and up to 7 seconds (!) to run, that first time you run it. And that could easily happen upwards of a dozen times a day, because it will happen for each script you create. That's pretty terrible, for a developer. I don't think you can normalize startup times, for some hacky script, of 1 second as pretty okay or not noticeable. Certainly not if you're talking about a high end work machine. Times that bad are associated with some junk laptop that's 15 years old - that's not supposed to be Apple. Even if you build apps (I do), you might have the need to create scripts now and then, possibly even a lot of them (I do, for testing). I don't consider it acceptable to wait 1 sec+ each time I run one. It really does suggest that Apple has gotten extremely careless about their developer audience. So, yeah - compared to that, Linux performs way better, and looks like a premium work machine by comparison.