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Just get to the LTS release and stay there.

by ReticentVole 6y ago

dahfizz 6y ago
The LTS is only supported for two years. That doesn't really solve this problem.
- santoshalper 6y ago
  I think it is telling that in Unity world, 2 years is "Long Term". I wonder what cutting edge is? Building your entire game on the unstable weekly branch and crossing your fingers?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Most software products LTS are between 2 to 3 years actually, even stuff like Java.
    - yCombLinks 6y ago
      Java SE 8 (LTS) March 2014 December 2030 Java may have a new LTS every few years, but they support their LTS releases for much longer.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        That is the old model, the new LTS model is three years. Oracle just extended it due to Java 9 being our Python 3, which is kind of pointless because all the packages that matter have migrated already. But enterprise being enterprise, there are plenty of projects only now migrating to 8, and then there is that little robot that isn't even fully compliant with 8.
        kbenson 6y ago
        Not that I really know much about Java stuff, but it looks like maybe Amazon/OpenJDK are providing longer support lifetimes? [1] And here's an official Oracle doc regarding Java support where they show Java 11 (LTS) being supported until either late 2023 or late 2026 depending on your support level. I'm not sure they provide free support anymore, or maybe that's limited and what you're referring to? 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history 2: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roadmap.html https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roa...
        pjmlp 6y ago
        Yes, free support is only three years. Java has several commercial and free implementations, so every Java vendor is free to choose their own timelines, I was only talking about the free layer of OpenJDK/Oracle, as that is what many around here understand as Java.
    - anamexis 6y ago
      There's how often LTS releases are released, and how long they are supported. Ubuntu cuts an LTS release every 2 years, but they support them for 5 years. It appears Oracle supports Java LTS releases for 8 years.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Java LTS model has changed for 3 years for releases past Java 9. We are on 14 already.
    - seba_dos1 6y ago
      There's a difference between end-user software and software that you're going to produce things in. 2 years is a reasonable time to expect that the user will move on to the next LTS browser version. 2 years is not a lot of time to release a game without having to upgrade the engine mid-project.
  - flukus 6y ago
    Not just unity unfortunately. .net core LTS is 3 years, Firefox "extended support" is 12 months, some random library from cargo/npm/nuget probably not at all. "Long Term" is becoming a meaningless buzzword. Companies cling to 40 year old COBOL because there's nothing stable enough to migrate to.
    - jaredklewis 6y ago
      Java 8 EOL is 2030. There are plenty of stable options that are not COBOL.
      - flukus 6y ago
        Java has been one of the few that are more stable but I get the impression that's coming to an end. The support lifetime for the current LTS will finish 4 years earlier than Java 8 (according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history) so it's trending down fast (although still good). It also looks that 2030 is only for people paying oracle, which isn't necessarily bad but it's something to consider. There's also a lot more to consider than just how long an LTS lasts, like the degree of backwards compatibility and the rest of the ecosystem. It was my understanding that project jigsaw broke a lot of that, but I'm outside the java world so i didn't really keep up. .net for instance was great until recently because they had decent support lifetimes and kept backwards compatibility, so updating to the latest was at least simple and painless. Even trying to do those upgrades was like pulling teeth inside corporate environments though.
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Just get to the LTS release and stay there.

dahfizz 6y ago

The LTS is only supported for two years. That doesn't really solve this problem.

santoshalper 6y ago
I think it is telling that in Unity world, 2 years is "Long Term". I wonder what cutting edge is? Building your entire game on the unstable weekly branch and crossing your fingers?
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Most software products LTS are between 2 to 3 years actually, even stuff like Java.
  - yCombLinks 6y ago
    Java SE 8 (LTS) March 2014 December 2030 Java may have a new LTS every few years, but they support their LTS releases for much longer.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      That is the old model, the new LTS model is three years. Oracle just extended it due to Java 9 being our Python 3, which is kind of pointless because all the packages that matter have migrated already. But enterprise being enterprise, there are plenty of projects only now migrating to 8, and then there is that little robot that isn't even fully compliant with 8.
      - kbenson 6y ago
        Not that I really know much about Java stuff, but it looks like maybe Amazon/OpenJDK are providing longer support lifetimes? [1] And here's an official Oracle doc regarding Java support where they show Java 11 (LTS) being supported until either late 2023 or late 2026 depending on your support level. I'm not sure they provide free support anymore, or maybe that's limited and what you're referring to? 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history 2: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roadmap.html https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roa...
        pjmlp 6y ago
        Yes, free support is only three years. Java has several commercial and free implementations, so every Java vendor is free to choose their own timelines, I was only talking about the free layer of OpenJDK/Oracle, as that is what many around here understand as Java.
  - anamexis 6y ago
    There's how often LTS releases are released, and how long they are supported. Ubuntu cuts an LTS release every 2 years, but they support them for 5 years. It appears Oracle supports Java LTS releases for 8 years.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Java LTS model has changed for 3 years for releases past Java 9. We are on 14 already.
  - seba_dos1 6y ago
    There's a difference between end-user software and software that you're going to produce things in. 2 years is a reasonable time to expect that the user will move on to the next LTS browser version. 2 years is not a lot of time to release a game without having to upgrade the engine mid-project.
- flukus 6y ago
  Not just unity unfortunately. .net core LTS is 3 years, Firefox "extended support" is 12 months, some random library from cargo/npm/nuget probably not at all. "Long Term" is becoming a meaningless buzzword. Companies cling to 40 year old COBOL because there's nothing stable enough to migrate to.
  - jaredklewis 6y ago
    Java 8 EOL is 2030. There are plenty of stable options that are not COBOL.
    - flukus 6y ago
      Java has been one of the few that are more stable but I get the impression that's coming to an end. The support lifetime for the current LTS will finish 4 years earlier than Java 8 (according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history) so it's trending down fast (although still good). It also looks that 2030 is only for people paying oracle, which isn't necessarily bad but it's something to consider. There's also a lot more to consider than just how long an LTS lasts, like the degree of backwards compatibility and the rest of the ecosystem. It was my understanding that project jigsaw broke a lot of that, but I'm outside the java world so i didn't really keep up. .net for instance was great until recently because they had decent support lifetimes and kept backwards compatibility, so updating to the latest was at least simple and painless. Even trying to do those upgrades was like pulling teeth inside corporate environments though.

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