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GitLab 13.0

282 points by marksamman 6y ago

emilycook 6y ago
Hi! There are a lot of new features with this update, so here are a few highlights: -improved version of Gitaly service called Gitaly Cluster for high availability git storage [1] -simplified deployment of GitLab to Amazon ECS [2] -added epic hierarchy on roadmaps (+ other improvements to our epic and milestone features) [3] [1] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#gitaly-cluster-for-high-availability-git-storage https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel... [2] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#auto-deploy-to-ecs https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel... [3] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#view-epic-hierarchy-on-a-roadmap https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...
- ksec 6y ago
  -Reduced memory consumption of GitLab with Puma [1] Puma reduces the memory footprint of GitLab by about 40% compared to Unicorn. Considering one of the most frequent complains about Gitlab is memory usage. 40% is huge. [1] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#reduced-memory-consumption-of-gitlab-with-puma https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...
  - boleary-gl 6y ago
    It is! We're super excited about it. We've been running it on GitLab.com for some time now, and it's been great to see.
    - yuters 6y ago
      According to the blog post, the labels are saying that this isn't available on any versions (free, bronze, silver, gold) of gitlab.com?
      - sytse 6y ago
        We didn't mark it as a feature of GitLab.com since the company decides if it is used, we also pay for the hosting (memory) cost, and there should be no end-user difference between Puma and Unicorn. But I agree that there is an argument for marking it as available there since all of GitLab.com runs on it.
- diminish 6y ago
  Thanks for "Design Management moved to Core" https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#gitaly-cluster-for-high-availability-git-storage https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...
  - cdybenko 6y ago
    You're welcome! The team worked hard to move it down in one release!
- emilycook 6y ago
  oops misspoke and now I can't edit, I meant deployment of applications to AWS (hopefully you knew what I meant!)
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Jahak 6y ago
Hooray!
traspler 6y ago
I really hope some of the the project management tools and scanning features will trickle down to the cheaper/free tiers some time. I can understand that not everything has to be free but the current feature split of project management and scanning features among the tiers feels a bit haphazard with some crucial things at the highest prices, making it hard to justify the in-between tiers and impossible to buy the highest.
- sschueller 6y ago
  I hope the full Jira integration comes down to a level that would at least compare with BitBucket pricing. Right now it's more than double. My company would switch if the cost was the same or close, but I can't justify paying double even with all the extra features in gitlab.
  - apple4ever 6y ago
    Its not likely. They are insistent on the pricing model, even if it does not make sense. See my post above.
- sercand 6y ago
  Putting Epic and Issue tools to the highest pricing is terrible for lots of people. We forced to pay features that we will never use. I wish they add some kind of addon system for these features.
- harrisonjackson 6y ago
  Epics and roadmaps were moved down to less expensive tiers recently. Relevant convos https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/1887 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/1887
bearjaws 6y ago
Terraform integration, and improved DAST scanner that will read in your OpenAPI doc and generate a dynamic scan, for my company which is striving for HiTrust certification, Gitlab has made my life easier. We switched last year and it keeps paying dividends for our security programs. I hope they begin to focus on more production stability, this week alone we've had 3 disruptions due to issues (although one looked like Google Cloud outage).
dimitropoulos 6y ago
I was so happy when I saw the attention paid to deployment on ECS that I thought maybe they finally (years later) put some more attention into GCP[1], but it appears not. Hopefully in some time in the next few months! [1] https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/charts/-/epics/4 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/charts/-/epics/4
- ljlane 6y ago
  Hi Dimitri. We are in the process of deprecating the current GKE listing which Google will be replacing with a single click to deploy listing, currently targeted to go live before the end of June. Thanks for your interest and patience. For more details on other GCP plans see https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/-/epics/322 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/-/epics/322. Larissa Lane, Distribution Product Manager
  - dimitropoulos 6y ago
    Awesome! I'll look forward to that release!
siscia 6y ago
The thing that is really missing in gitlab CI is the impossibility to define a matrix for builds. We have to do the same actions on different environments and it is very troublesome.
- kennyGitLab 6y ago
  Agreed! That's why we are working on it this release - https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/15356 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/15356
  - danudey 6y ago
    I would love to see a situation where we could predefine a matrix and then toggle different products on or off. For example, we have: Models A, B, C, D Builds Debug, Release Normally this would be A Debug A Release B Debug B Release And so on, and so on. In our case, where we have about 90 different models, it would be extremely useful to be able to configure, via a GUI of some kind, which of those intersections we want, rather than rebuilding the entire set for a configuration option which only affects one or two models. At this point, the only option available to us is the Jenkins Matrix Build Plugin, which is awful in a few fairly frustrating ways, but is also the only thing that does what we want. Examples: configuring an SCM in a matrix build job results in one svn checkout for the matrix build job and one checkout each for the cartesian product, and then, since we have a separate child job for doing builds, one checkout each for the child jobs. We don't want the matrix job to do any checkout, but if you configure it with a Git or SVN URL then it will do it regardless.
    - folmar 6y ago
      You can get quite close with includes and yaml anchors
      - siscia 6y ago
        I have less than 20 environments to configure and it is already extremely messy in gitlab CI. So messy that at the moment it is just a little toy and it will never actually work in production. With 90? No there is no way you can create a reliable gitlab CI with so many environments. Beside there are several bugs in gitlab CI and support is basically useless even for an organisation like ours where I believe we are one of their largest costumers. Our tickets (or at least the one I create) are simply ignored.
flatiron 6y ago
Already bumped our postgres RDS to 11 for this. Upgrade time! [edit] Upgrade went well
- gramakri 6y ago
  Is PG 11 required for this new release? Does PG 10 work?
  - flatiron 6y ago
    Yes and don’t know. Why risk it.
  - pas 6y ago
    Currently probably works, but they want to depend on the ability to use features supported only in pg11+ to be able to get better performance. https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#postgresql-11-is-now-the-minimum-required-version-to-install-gitlab https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...
akater 6y ago
It looks like it's now impossible to login to gitlab.com web interface via Tor. I only post it here because it was a recent sudden silent change that made gitlab.com unavailable to some, and there does not seem to be a response.
- boleary-gl 6y ago
  Can you try again - we are working on changes to our Cloudflare front end (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-infra/infrastructure/-/issues/10212 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-infra/infrastructure/-/issu...).
  - akater 6y ago
    Works fine now, thanks! Sorry I made noise like this, I tried to find alternative channels of communication that presumably should work when someone cannot login via web for any reason, and failed.
TekMol 6y ago
What keeps me from using gitlab.com is that they flat out reject a signup with an email from my email provider. Anybody else having that problem? I wonder if they have a whitelist and only accept users who use the big boys like gmail etc. Or if they for some reason have totally legit email providers on their blacklist.
- kl4m 6y ago
  Have you tried signing up with a gmail then changing you primary email in profile? Edit: @gmx. address by any chance?
- boleary-gl 6y ago
  GitLab Developer Evangelist here. It could be that there is a legit email provider that got on the banned list inadvertently. Would you mind sharing the provider? If you want to not do it in public you can DM me at olearycrew on Twitter or email boleary [at] gitlab.com
  - TekMol 6y ago
    Hi! Yandex. Am I really the first to tell you? Yandex has a 30% market share in Russia.
    - boleary-gl 6y ago
      No idea! But I'm going to find out :)
      - boleary-gl 6y ago
        So we don’t think we’re explicitly blocking that and have users with that domain. Could you DM / email me the details and a screen shot? I’ll try and help as best I can.
        TekMol 6y ago
        Have you tried signing up with an @yandex.com email? The signup page just reloads with this message: 1 error prohibited this user from being saved: Email is not from an allowed domain. You don't need to have a Yandex account for that. Just put in whatever@yandex.com as your email and you get the above message.
subhrm 6y ago
Does gitlab offer a stripped down version with only vanila 'git' ?
- number6 6y ago
  As in just git? https://www.logicbig.com/tutorials/misc/git/accessing-remote-repository-via-ssh.html https://www.logicbig.com/tutorials/misc/git/accessing-remote...
- boleary-gl 6y ago
  GitLab Developer Evangelist here. You can install GitLab and only _use_ it for 'git' (source control management). But the install is the same - GitLab is a single application
- bebop 6y ago
  You might want to look at gitea: https://gitea.io/en-us/ https://gitea.io/en-us/ it is a pretty minimal git web application.
  - mekster 6y ago
    I wouldn't call it minimal. It's got enough for many workloads.
- kissgyorgy 6y ago
  You only need an SSH server for that.
  - arichard123 6y ago
    You can combine ssh with multiple users to provide repo-level permissions (not branch level). You use standard linux permissions to enable deploy keys. You would also use git-shell on the read only ssh accounts for the deploy-keys. Without writing a new shell you wouldn't be able to do branch level protection.
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apple4ever 6y ago
I really like GitLab, especially the Kubernetes integration. Its nice to see some Terraform integration as well. I do hope some of the security scanning goes to lower tiers, that can be very helpful. The biggest issue with GitLab I find is their stubbornness to have different prices for reporters vs developers[0][1]. It really makes no sense other than they just want more money (even though they are losing a bunch because lots of companies refuse to do it). [0]https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/3320 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/3320 [1]https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ceo/pricing/#reporter-user-permission-pricing https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ceo/pricing/#reporter-user...
- harrisonjackson 6y ago
  Are you suggesting reporter users should be more or less expensive than developer users? If you've got some users at a higher tier how are they going to interact with other users within a group that isn't on that tier? Features recently moved down to silver from gold enabled us to leave jira which has been great. Epics + roadmaps
  - apple4ever 6y ago
    Reporters should absolutely be less. They are there to either view code or view & submit issues. There are a lot of companies with 10 developers but 100 reporters. Why should those two groups of people cost the same? The interaction is easy - GitLab already works on the permissions with the different user types. And calculating cost is just as easy - how many reporters vs how many other types.
    - harrisonjackson 6y ago
      110 users account is going to be one of the enterprise-y/gold/ultimate tier plans. They're going to get the enterprise-y price and subsidize the free and less-expensive tiers. I would guess that most startups or small devshops using gitlab are going to have 5-6 devs to a maybe 1 reporter user. Edit - I'm not disagreeing with you that a reporter user needs less features and in theory has a lower cost to gitlab. I think the target customer for the gold/ultimate tier that has reporter users won't blink at paying for it.
majkinetor 6y ago
Exporting environment variables via artifacts sounds like a strange decision, but I guess its one way to do it. After years of waiting for jobs to communicate other then relying on file artifacts this is somewhat disappointing. I would like to see parent/child pipelines recive some love as currently it does work but quirks are all around. For example, its not easy (or sometimes even possible) to pass pipeline variables from parent to child, pipline UI behaves differently when being part of relation (and many times unusuable or shows a wrong thing), not being able to repeat manual jobs with the same var initially passed, not even being able to run it again with any other var unless you delete all previous executions, strange limitations on masked secret vars, $ in your password will get evaluated as variable etc ... Seems like an afterthought, rather then a carefully designed feature set. Too organic for my taste (I guess Conway's law is full blown there). While Gitlab CI is getting better (or more capable, rather then better) then before in every release, it does seem bloated, overly complex, full of surprises, not reproducible locally, very slow (caching is ridiculous feature that makes job often run longer then without it) and with strange design that doesn't let me view my build log full screen or collect entire pipeline output easily. Generally, Windows is also lagging behind (I can't use pwsh as runner shell today after 4 years in existence?). The worst recent offender: you display 'fail' on every job in color: "WARNING: Failed to load system CertPool: crypto/x509: system root pool is not available on Windows". This trips everybody that job has failed when it didn't. I think Gitlab guys need to start taking CI/CD/runner more seriously or at least bring some fresh mind to it. After all, this is one of the major reasons for many people to use it.
- oweiler 6y ago
  The caching is so broken it's barely usable. You can't easily exclude files. The cache can't be updated incrementally. It's often slower than downloading all dependencies on every build.
  - latch 6y ago
    Instead of caching node_modules, cache node_modules.tar.szt Then wrap your job in a untar/tar: tar --use-compress-program zstd -xf node_modules.tar.zst || true YOUR NORMAL JOB tar --use-compress-program zstd -cf node_modules.tar.zst node_modules (and you can delete things you don't need if you want)
Lukesys 6y ago
GitHub FTW
- sorryitstrue 6y ago
  this is gitlab,
- spyspy 6y ago
  Literally in the middle of an outage right now https://www.githubstatus.com/ https://www.githubstatus.com/
candiddevmike 6y ago
The Terraform bits are incredible, GitLab has almost made Terraform Enterprise irrelevant (aside from sentinel, for now). Will we see Vault management soon too?
- boleary-gl 6y ago
  GitLab Developer Evangelist here. Short answer: yes. Long answer: Also yes, but with a link to the relevant epic: https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/2875 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/2875
  - ric2b 6y ago
    I love this GitLab's transparency. Most companies simply ignore questions like these because letting users know the roadmap is somehow scary.
    - harrisonjackson 6y ago
      +1 It is awesome to see a product manager, dev, and designer actively collaborating and commenting on a feature you're waiting for.
throwaway483284 6y ago
I am running Gitlab in Docker (using official images), how would you go with upgrading from version 12.10 without losing any data? I am using volumes for Gitlab data.
- joshlambert 6y ago
  Please read through the upgrade notes for 13.0 as there are some important changes like PG11 being a minimum requirement. As for the actual upgrade, you should be able to follow the standard process outlined here since you are persisting your data outside the container: https://docs.gitlab.com/omnibus/docker/#update https://docs.gitlab.com/omnibus/docker/#update
  - throwaway483284 6y ago
    Updated without any issues, thanks.
KayL 6y ago
Issue edit history still has not enabled
gnachman 6y ago
Since Gitlab is listening: users sometimes attach files to issues on my project and then regret it. There doesn’t seem to be any way to permanently delete such an upload. Sometimes these files have passwords or their employers’ secrets. I asked for help in the forums but got no response. Help?
- zegerjan 6y ago
  The issue tracker I think is a better place for such a feature request. Last time I worked on the attachment code, there wasn't a persistent database relationship for uploads and notes. Which would make this feature hard to implement, it would be a great feature though!
- ahuang1018 6y ago
  Hi! Thanks for reaching out! There's an open issue related to your question:https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/16229 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/16229 You can't delete attached files if some of them were uploaded by mistake - It's better to use the issue tracker for a feature request.
gravypod 6y ago
I love gitlab but I run into two issues constantly: 1. Gitlab CI with DinD kills the docker cache on every build. For a large monorepo this is a huge pain. Really needs to be addressed with some host volume mount of the docker daemon layer cache per concurrent job. 2. No say to specify CPU/disk/memory usage of a CI stage. I have a large number of builds that need ~512mb of ram per build and another build that needs 4GB of ram. Because of this I need to make sure every instance of the runner has exactly 4GB of ram available. This is a large waste of resources. Gitlab is a fantastic product and I'm super happy for migrating multiple companies to it and that they keep innovating.
- mcintyre1994 6y ago
  On your second point, you can achieve this with tags. See here: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/yaml/#configuration-parameters https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/yaml/#configuration-parameters and https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/runners/#using-tags https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/runners/#using-tags On the runner side you can tell it which tags to accept, and on the .gitlab-ci.yml side you can tag your jobs. We mainly use this to make most jobs run on AWS EC2 spot instances, but a few use on-demand instead. We also use it to give a couple of jobs a larger instance size.
  - gravypod 6y ago
    Can you do that within the same repo? I mainly work in a large monorepo.
    - mcintyre1994 6y ago
      Yep - I use a monorepo too. You just set tags on your runners, and tags on your CI jobs, and Gitlab’s scheduler will assign the jobs to correct runners for you. It’s worked perfectly for us.
efiecho 6y ago
As said before it's frustrating that you can't browse source code or view replies to issues without javascript enabled. This is very basic functionality. I don't expect advanced stuff to work without javascript, but simple operations definitely should. Every other Git repository manager I know of, got this right. Just my two cents.
argella 6y ago
Too bad for me my company's IT team is going to force my group off of gitlab and on to azure devops.
noxecanexx 6y ago
Nothing against gitlab as I use and pushed for it in my company, but I feel it's heading towards Azure Devops(this might be entirely baseless). By that I mean it's geared more towards enterprise teams and business than startups looking to build stuff and deploy. I say this off the complexity of their UI, their feature set and what they seem to prioritize.
- sensible123 6y ago
  Most businesses prioritize what people pay them for (or they run out of money). Gitlab is accumulating enterprise features because enterprises are paying them for those features. Most places I've worked have used GitHub and it's good enough. Some also had Gitlab for "secret" stuff but if you trust GitHub with your main code then you already trust them with a lot so might as well just use them for all code hosting.

282 points by marksamman 6y ago

Hi! There are a lot of new features with this update, so here are a few highlights: -improved version of Gitaly service called Gitaly Cluster for high availability git storage [1] -simplified deployment of GitLab to Amazon ECS [2] -added epic hierarchy on roadmaps (+ other improvements to our epic and milestone features) [3] [1] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#gitaly-cluster-for-high-availability-git-storage https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel... [2] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#auto-deploy-to-ecs https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel... [3] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#view-epic-hierarchy-on-a-roadmap https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...

ksec 6y ago
-Reduced memory consumption of GitLab with Puma [1] Puma reduces the memory footprint of GitLab by about 40% compared to Unicorn. Considering one of the most frequent complains about Gitlab is memory usage. 40% is huge. [1] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#reduced-memory-consumption-of-gitlab-with-puma https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...
- boleary-gl 6y ago
  It is! We're super excited about it. We've been running it on GitLab.com for some time now, and it's been great to see.
  - yuters 6y ago
    According to the blog post, the labels are saying that this isn't available on any versions (free, bronze, silver, gold) of gitlab.com?
    - sytse 6y ago
      We didn't mark it as a feature of GitLab.com since the company decides if it is used, we also pay for the hosting (memory) cost, and there should be no end-user difference between Puma and Unicorn. But I agree that there is an argument for marking it as available there since all of GitLab.com runs on it.
diminish 6y ago
Thanks for "Design Management moved to Core" https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#gitaly-cluster-for-high-availability-git-storage https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...
- cdybenko 6y ago
  You're welcome! The team worked hard to move it down in one release!
emilycook 6y ago
oops misspoke and now I can't edit, I meant deployment of applications to AWS (hopefully you knew what I meant!)

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Jahak 6y ago

Hooray!

traspler 6y ago

I really hope some of the the project management tools and scanning features will trickle down to the cheaper/free tiers some time. I can understand that not everything has to be free but the current feature split of project management and scanning features among the tiers feels a bit haphazard with some crucial things at the highest prices, making it hard to justify the in-between tiers and impossible to buy the highest.

sschueller 6y ago
I hope the full Jira integration comes down to a level that would at least compare with BitBucket pricing. Right now it's more than double. My company would switch if the cost was the same or close, but I can't justify paying double even with all the extra features in gitlab.
- apple4ever 6y ago
  Its not likely. They are insistent on the pricing model, even if it does not make sense. See my post above.
sercand 6y ago
Putting Epic and Issue tools to the highest pricing is terrible for lots of people. We forced to pay features that we will never use. I wish they add some kind of addon system for these features.
harrisonjackson 6y ago
Epics and roadmaps were moved down to less expensive tiers recently. Relevant convos https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/1887 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/1887

bearjaws 6y ago

Terraform integration, and improved DAST scanner that will read in your OpenAPI doc and generate a dynamic scan, for my company which is striving for HiTrust certification, Gitlab has made my life easier. We switched last year and it keeps paying dividends for our security programs. I hope they begin to focus on more production stability, this week alone we've had 3 disruptions due to issues (although one looked like Google Cloud outage).

dimitropoulos 6y ago

I was so happy when I saw the attention paid to deployment on ECS that I thought maybe they finally (years later) put some more attention into GCP[1], but it appears not. Hopefully in some time in the next few months! [1] https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/charts/-/epics/4 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/charts/-/epics/4

ljlane 6y ago
Hi Dimitri. We are in the process of deprecating the current GKE listing which Google will be replacing with a single click to deploy listing, currently targeted to go live before the end of June. Thanks for your interest and patience. For more details on other GCP plans see https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/-/epics/322 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/-/epics/322. Larissa Lane, Distribution Product Manager
- dimitropoulos 6y ago
  Awesome! I'll look forward to that release!

siscia 6y ago

The thing that is really missing in gitlab CI is the impossibility to define a matrix for builds. We have to do the same actions on different environments and it is very troublesome.

kennyGitLab 6y ago
Agreed! That's why we are working on it this release - https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/15356 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/15356
- danudey 6y ago
  I would love to see a situation where we could predefine a matrix and then toggle different products on or off. For example, we have: Models A, B, C, D Builds Debug, Release Normally this would be A Debug A Release B Debug B Release And so on, and so on. In our case, where we have about 90 different models, it would be extremely useful to be able to configure, via a GUI of some kind, which of those intersections we want, rather than rebuilding the entire set for a configuration option which only affects one or two models. At this point, the only option available to us is the Jenkins Matrix Build Plugin, which is awful in a few fairly frustrating ways, but is also the only thing that does what we want. Examples: configuring an SCM in a matrix build job results in one svn checkout for the matrix build job and one checkout each for the cartesian product, and then, since we have a separate child job for doing builds, one checkout each for the child jobs. We don't want the matrix job to do any checkout, but if you configure it with a Git or SVN URL then it will do it regardless.
  - folmar 6y ago
    You can get quite close with includes and yaml anchors
    - siscia 6y ago
      I have less than 20 environments to configure and it is already extremely messy in gitlab CI. So messy that at the moment it is just a little toy and it will never actually work in production. With 90? No there is no way you can create a reliable gitlab CI with so many environments. Beside there are several bugs in gitlab CI and support is basically useless even for an organisation like ours where I believe we are one of their largest costumers. Our tickets (or at least the one I create) are simply ignored.

flatiron 6y ago

Already bumped our postgres RDS to 11 for this. Upgrade time! [edit] Upgrade went well

gramakri 6y ago
Is PG 11 required for this new release? Does PG 10 work?
- flatiron 6y ago
  Yes and don’t know. Why risk it.
- pas 6y ago
  Currently probably works, but they want to depend on the ability to use features supported only in pg11+ to be able to get better performance. https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-released/#postgresql-11-is-now-the-minimum-required-version-to-install-gitlab https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/05/22/gitlab-13-0-rel...

akater 6y ago

It looks like it's now impossible to login to gitlab.com web interface via Tor. I only post it here because it was a recent sudden silent change that made gitlab.com unavailable to some, and there does not seem to be a response.

boleary-gl 6y ago
Can you try again - we are working on changes to our Cloudflare front end (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-infra/infrastructure/-/issues/10212 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-infra/infrastructure/-/issu...).
- akater 6y ago
  Works fine now, thanks! Sorry I made noise like this, I tried to find alternative channels of communication that presumably should work when someone cannot login via web for any reason, and failed.

TekMol 6y ago

What keeps me from using gitlab.com is that they flat out reject a signup with an email from my email provider. Anybody else having that problem? I wonder if they have a whitelist and only accept users who use the big boys like gmail etc. Or if they for some reason have totally legit email providers on their blacklist.

kl4m 6y ago
Have you tried signing up with a gmail then changing you primary email in profile? Edit: @gmx. address by any chance?
boleary-gl 6y ago
GitLab Developer Evangelist here. It could be that there is a legit email provider that got on the banned list inadvertently. Would you mind sharing the provider? If you want to not do it in public you can DM me at olearycrew on Twitter or email boleary [at] gitlab.com
- TekMol 6y ago
  Hi! Yandex. Am I really the first to tell you? Yandex has a 30% market share in Russia.
  - boleary-gl 6y ago
    No idea! But I'm going to find out :)
    - boleary-gl 6y ago
      So we don’t think we’re explicitly blocking that and have users with that domain. Could you DM / email me the details and a screen shot? I’ll try and help as best I can.
      - TekMol 6y ago
        Have you tried signing up with an @yandex.com email? The signup page just reloads with this message: 1 error prohibited this user from being saved: Email is not from an allowed domain. You don't need to have a Yandex account for that. Just put in whatever@yandex.com as your email and you get the above message.

subhrm 6y ago

Does gitlab offer a stripped down version with only vanila 'git' ?

number6 6y ago
As in just git? https://www.logicbig.com/tutorials/misc/git/accessing-remote-repository-via-ssh.html https://www.logicbig.com/tutorials/misc/git/accessing-remote...
boleary-gl 6y ago
GitLab Developer Evangelist here. You can install GitLab and only _use_ it for 'git' (source control management). But the install is the same - GitLab is a single application
bebop 6y ago
You might want to look at gitea: https://gitea.io/en-us/ https://gitea.io/en-us/ it is a pretty minimal git web application.
- mekster 6y ago
  I wouldn't call it minimal. It's got enough for many workloads.
kissgyorgy 6y ago
You only need an SSH server for that.
- arichard123 6y ago
  You can combine ssh with multiple users to provide repo-level permissions (not branch level). You use standard linux permissions to enable deploy keys. You would also use git-shell on the read only ssh accounts for the deploy-keys. Without writing a new shell you wouldn't be able to do branch level protection.
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apple4ever 6y ago

I really like GitLab, especially the Kubernetes integration. Its nice to see some Terraform integration as well. I do hope some of the security scanning goes to lower tiers, that can be very helpful. The biggest issue with GitLab I find is their stubbornness to have different prices for reporters vs developers[0][1]. It really makes no sense other than they just want more money (even though they are losing a bunch because lots of companies refuse to do it). [0]https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/3320 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/3320 [1]https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ceo/pricing/#reporter-user-permission-pricing https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ceo/pricing/#reporter-user...

harrisonjackson 6y ago
Are you suggesting reporter users should be more or less expensive than developer users? If you've got some users at a higher tier how are they going to interact with other users within a group that isn't on that tier? Features recently moved down to silver from gold enabled us to leave jira which has been great. Epics + roadmaps
- apple4ever 6y ago
  Reporters should absolutely be less. They are there to either view code or view & submit issues. There are a lot of companies with 10 developers but 100 reporters. Why should those two groups of people cost the same? The interaction is easy - GitLab already works on the permissions with the different user types. And calculating cost is just as easy - how many reporters vs how many other types.
  - harrisonjackson 6y ago
    110 users account is going to be one of the enterprise-y/gold/ultimate tier plans. They're going to get the enterprise-y price and subsidize the free and less-expensive tiers. I would guess that most startups or small devshops using gitlab are going to have 5-6 devs to a maybe 1 reporter user. Edit - I'm not disagreeing with you that a reporter user needs less features and in theory has a lower cost to gitlab. I think the target customer for the gold/ultimate tier that has reporter users won't blink at paying for it.

majkinetor 6y ago

Exporting environment variables via artifacts sounds like a strange decision, but I guess its one way to do it. After years of waiting for jobs to communicate other then relying on file artifacts this is somewhat disappointing. I would like to see parent/child pipelines recive some love as currently it does work but quirks are all around. For example, its not easy (or sometimes even possible) to pass pipeline variables from parent to child, pipline UI behaves differently when being part of relation (and many times unusuable or shows a wrong thing), not being able to repeat manual jobs with the same var initially passed, not even being able to run it again with any other var unless you delete all previous executions, strange limitations on masked secret vars, $ in your password will get evaluated as variable etc ... Seems like an afterthought, rather then a carefully designed feature set. Too organic for my taste (I guess Conway's law is full blown there). While Gitlab CI is getting better (or more capable, rather then better) then before in every release, it does seem bloated, overly complex, full of surprises, not reproducible locally, very slow (caching is ridiculous feature that makes job often run longer then without it) and with strange design that doesn't let me view my build log full screen or collect entire pipeline output easily. Generally, Windows is also lagging behind (I can't use pwsh as runner shell today after 4 years in existence?). The worst recent offender: you display 'fail' on every job in color: "WARNING: Failed to load system CertPool: crypto/x509: system root pool is not available on Windows". This trips everybody that job has failed when it didn't. I think Gitlab guys need to start taking CI/CD/runner more seriously or at least bring some fresh mind to it. After all, this is one of the major reasons for many people to use it.

oweiler 6y ago
The caching is so broken it's barely usable. You can't easily exclude files. The cache can't be updated incrementally. It's often slower than downloading all dependencies on every build.
- latch 6y ago
  Instead of caching node_modules, cache node_modules.tar.szt Then wrap your job in a untar/tar: tar --use-compress-program zstd -xf node_modules.tar.zst || true YOUR NORMAL JOB tar --use-compress-program zstd -cf node_modules.tar.zst node_modules (and you can delete things you don't need if you want)

Lukesys 6y ago

GitHub FTW

sorryitstrue 6y ago
this is gitlab,
spyspy 6y ago
Literally in the middle of an outage right now https://www.githubstatus.com/ https://www.githubstatus.com/

candiddevmike 6y ago

The Terraform bits are incredible, GitLab has almost made Terraform Enterprise irrelevant (aside from sentinel, for now). Will we see Vault management soon too?

boleary-gl 6y ago
GitLab Developer Evangelist here. Short answer: yes. Long answer: Also yes, but with a link to the relevant epic: https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/2875 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/2875
- ric2b 6y ago
  I love this GitLab's transparency. Most companies simply ignore questions like these because letting users know the roadmap is somehow scary.
  - harrisonjackson 6y ago
    +1 It is awesome to see a product manager, dev, and designer actively collaborating and commenting on a feature you're waiting for.

throwaway483284 6y ago

I am running Gitlab in Docker (using official images), how would you go with upgrading from version 12.10 without losing any data? I am using volumes for Gitlab data.

joshlambert 6y ago
Please read through the upgrade notes for 13.0 as there are some important changes like PG11 being a minimum requirement. As for the actual upgrade, you should be able to follow the standard process outlined here since you are persisting your data outside the container: https://docs.gitlab.com/omnibus/docker/#update https://docs.gitlab.com/omnibus/docker/#update
- throwaway483284 6y ago
  Updated without any issues, thanks.

KayL 6y ago

Issue edit history still has not enabled

gnachman 6y ago

Since Gitlab is listening: users sometimes attach files to issues on my project and then regret it. There doesn’t seem to be any way to permanently delete such an upload. Sometimes these files have passwords or their employers’ secrets. I asked for help in the forums but got no response. Help?

zegerjan 6y ago
The issue tracker I think is a better place for such a feature request. Last time I worked on the attachment code, there wasn't a persistent database relationship for uploads and notes. Which would make this feature hard to implement, it would be a great feature though!
ahuang1018 6y ago
Hi! Thanks for reaching out! There's an open issue related to your question:https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/16229 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/16229 You can't delete attached files if some of them were uploaded by mistake - It's better to use the issue tracker for a feature request.

gravypod 6y ago

I love gitlab but I run into two issues constantly: 1. Gitlab CI with DinD kills the docker cache on every build. For a large monorepo this is a huge pain. Really needs to be addressed with some host volume mount of the docker daemon layer cache per concurrent job. 2. No say to specify CPU/disk/memory usage of a CI stage. I have a large number of builds that need ~512mb of ram per build and another build that needs 4GB of ram. Because of this I need to make sure every instance of the runner has exactly 4GB of ram available. This is a large waste of resources. Gitlab is a fantastic product and I'm super happy for migrating multiple companies to it and that they keep innovating.

mcintyre1994 6y ago
On your second point, you can achieve this with tags. See here: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/yaml/#configuration-parameters https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/yaml/#configuration-parameters and https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/runners/#using-tags https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/runners/#using-tags On the runner side you can tell it which tags to accept, and on the .gitlab-ci.yml side you can tag your jobs. We mainly use this to make most jobs run on AWS EC2 spot instances, but a few use on-demand instead. We also use it to give a couple of jobs a larger instance size.
- gravypod 6y ago
  Can you do that within the same repo? I mainly work in a large monorepo.
  - mcintyre1994 6y ago
    Yep - I use a monorepo too. You just set tags on your runners, and tags on your CI jobs, and Gitlab’s scheduler will assign the jobs to correct runners for you. It’s worked perfectly for us.

efiecho 6y ago

As said before it's frustrating that you can't browse source code or view replies to issues without javascript enabled. This is very basic functionality. I don't expect advanced stuff to work without javascript, but simple operations definitely should. Every other Git repository manager I know of, got this right. Just my two cents.

argella 6y ago

Too bad for me my company's IT team is going to force my group off of gitlab and on to azure devops.

noxecanexx 6y ago

Nothing against gitlab as I use and pushed for it in my company, but I feel it's heading towards Azure Devops(this might be entirely baseless). By that I mean it's geared more towards enterprise teams and business than startups looking to build stuff and deploy. I say this off the complexity of their UI, their feature set and what they seem to prioritize.

sensible123 6y ago
Most businesses prioritize what people pay them for (or they run out of money). Gitlab is accumulating enterprise features because enterprises are paying them for those features. Most places I've worked have used GitHub and it's good enough. Some also had Gitlab for "secret" stuff but if you trust GitHub with your main code then you already trust them with a lot so might as well just use them for all code hosting.