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I absolutely LOVE when i see statements like this as it is so out of touch with reality. put aside your self righteousness for a minute and realize that compani

I absolutely LOVE when i see statements like this as it is so out of touch with reality. put aside your self righteousness for a minute and realize that companies do the things they do to survive and increase share holder appeal. it's all about the bottom line. also remember that it's a job... you do it, get paid and go home. i don't care what their "priorities" are as long as they are paying me a good salary. also believe me, if you were unemployed and IBM was knocking at your door, you would take any job they gave you if it depended on feeding your family. your "priorities" would shift very quickly.

ep103 6y ago
Any time there has been any hiccup in the economy for the last 10 years, IBM has used it as an excuse to cut headcount. And they've always done so unscrupulously, as evidenced by the number of age discrimination lawsuits they've had during these layoff periods. While you're correct that companies have to layoff when they're financially constrained, you've chosen the wrong company to try to defend with that line. And your last sentence is apropros of nothing. "If you were starving of thirst, of course you would drink that stagnant pond water" does not mean that we should all start drinking, or praising, stagnant pond water.
sgift 6y ago
Your post is the one out of touch with reality. Most developers who get a job offer from IBM also get job offers from others, so they have options. "You are jobless and only this company wants you, so you will work for them even if they are shitty" is mostly fiction. Either no one wants you or multiple companies want you.
- msrmthehomeless 6y ago
  > Most developers who get a job offer from IBM also get job offers from others, so they have options Not really. Naturally the best talents aims higher and as a result IBM gets a lot of FAANG rejects.
- commandlinefan 6y ago
  No, your post is the one that is out of touch with reality. You're correct that if somebody is good enough to get an offer from IBM, they're good enough to get offers nearly everywhere else. Where you're wrong is thinking that most developers factor how well other developers are being treated when making employment decisions. If they cared, we would have had a professional association like the screen actor's guild decades ago that codified how developers deserve to be treated, but we don't.
- thrownaway954 6y ago
  yep... i'm sure if you were offered a job 2x your current pay, the first thing you would ask yourself is "I wonder what the well being of my co-workers are", don't make me laugh. also there are many people who have no choice but to work for a single company or "shitty" one as you put it, it's called people who have criminal records. again... your comment is the pure demostration of how sick the self righteousness of this site is.
msrmthehomeless 6y ago
> i don't care what their "priorities" are as long as they are paying me a good salary Problem is they are not doing that either

ep103 6y ago

Any time there has been any hiccup in the economy for the last 10 years, IBM has used it as an excuse to cut headcount. And they've always done so unscrupulously, as evidenced by the number of age discrimination lawsuits they've had during these layoff periods. While you're correct that companies have to layoff when they're financially constrained, you've chosen the wrong company to try to defend with that line. And your last sentence is apropros of nothing. "If you were starving of thirst, of course you would drink that stagnant pond water" does not mean that we should all start drinking, or praising, stagnant pond water.

sgift 6y ago

Your post is the one out of touch with reality. Most developers who get a job offer from IBM also get job offers from others, so they have options. "You are jobless and only this company wants you, so you will work for them even if they are shitty" is mostly fiction. Either no one wants you or multiple companies want you.

msrmthehomeless 6y ago
> Most developers who get a job offer from IBM also get job offers from others, so they have options Not really. Naturally the best talents aims higher and as a result IBM gets a lot of FAANG rejects.
commandlinefan 6y ago
No, your post is the one that is out of touch with reality. You're correct that if somebody is good enough to get an offer from IBM, they're good enough to get offers nearly everywhere else. Where you're wrong is thinking that most developers factor how well other developers are being treated when making employment decisions. If they cared, we would have had a professional association like the screen actor's guild decades ago that codified how developers deserve to be treated, but we don't.
thrownaway954 6y ago
yep... i'm sure if you were offered a job 2x your current pay, the first thing you would ask yourself is "I wonder what the well being of my co-workers are", don't make me laugh. also there are many people who have no choice but to work for a single company or "shitty" one as you put it, it's called people who have criminal records. again... your comment is the pure demostration of how sick the self righteousness of this site is.

msrmthehomeless 6y ago

> i don't care what their "priorities" are as long as they are paying me a good salary Problem is they are not doing that either